I seen a couple of posts both past and present about laws "the only people who have to follow the laws are legal americans" thats how I see it or illegals would be locked up and deported & the ICE program would be allowed to do their job to uphold the laws.

The passed House bill permits illegal aliens to buy the health care insurance. The questions is where does the money come from, with which they buy the insurance? The answer is the money comes from working. But by American laws, illegal aliens are not allowed to work in the u.s. legally. If you are allowed to work legally, they would not be illegal aliens.

If they are permitted to buy the health insurance with their own money, they must be permitted to work in this country legally, to make money to buy it. As said, they are not allowed to work legally. The health care plan legalizes their status, from not allowed to work to allowed to work.

Thereafter, the health plan violates American laws.

If they are here illegally they should be sent back now,it was done in the 60's so why can't they bus all these illegals back now,to were they came from, this would solve our job situation here,and unemployment.

You may be interested in a reply by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL and #2 in the U.S. Senate) to a letter from me. Read it twice to fully appreciate the weasel quality of his language and his lack of logic.

November 5, 2009

Dear Mr. and Mrs. [Name of constituents removed here]

Thank you for contacting me about Social Security and other public benefits for immigrants who are in the United States in violation of our immigration laws. I appreciate hearing from you.

There is much confusion about whether illegal immigrants receive Social Security and other public benefits. The truth is that illegal immigrants are not eligible for most federal benefits.

Under existing federal law, which I have supported during immigration debates in the Senate, immigrants cannot receive Social Security benefits if they are not legally present in this country or if they lack work authorization. Illegal immigrants are also denied most retirement, welfare, disability, housing, food, unemployment, and postsecondary education federal benefits. They are not eligible for food stamps, Supplemental Security Income, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families cash assistance, or non-emergency Medicaid. Some states have made a public health decision to use state-only funds for basic health services for undocumented individuals in order to prevent the spread of contagious diseases.

Federal law does provide limited emergency benefits to illegal immigrants. These benefits, which are equally available to legal residents and U.S. citizens, include treatment for emergency medical conditions; short-term emergency disaster relief; immunizations against disease and testing and treatment of communicable diseases; and services necessary for the protection of life and safety such as soup kitchens and short-term shelters.

To be eligible for emergency Medicaid, unauthorized aliens must be poor and either elderly, disabled, or members of a family with children. Working-age single males are generally not eligible for any form of Medicaid regardless of their financial status or residence.

In 2004, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office (GAO) studied the impact of emergency health care costs for illegal immigrants on hospitals. GAO found that in the 10 states with the highest estimated populations of illegal immigrants, emergency Medicaid costs made up less than three percent of each state's total Medicaid expenditures. The results of this study, which is available at http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-04-472, show that the costs of emergency health care for illegal immigrants are a small fraction of overall Medicaid costs.

During the 2006 immigration debate, I opposed an amendment that would have prevented newly legalized immigrants from claiming Social Security benefits based on the taxes they paid as undocumented workers. This amendment was rejected by the Senate in a bipartisan vote. I believe that if immigrants become legal residents and thereby become eligible for Social Security benefits, they should receive credit for the taxes they have already paid into Social Security.

I share the concerns of those who feel that it is more difficult than ever to maintain a successful middle-class life in America. Throughout my time in Congress, I have worked to raise wages for American families, to make health insurance more affordable and accessible for all Americans, to strengthen collective bargaining rights, to prevent jobs from being sent abroad, to lower interest rates on college student loans, and to safeguard employee pensions. During immigration debates in the Senate, I have strongly opposed temporary guest worker programs that would bring a large influx of workers who might otherwise never come to our country. During the most recent immigration debate, I offered a Hire Americans First amendment to require employers to seek American workers for their open positions before they try to bring in guest workers.

There is no perfect solution to the problems we face as a result of our broken immigration system. Our borders are not secure, our workplace enforcement laws need reform, and our immigration policy fosters a shadow economy for millions of immigrants who simply want to demonstrate that they can be hardworking contributors to our country.

I will continue to work for a package of reforms that will protect American workers and that will be tough and enforceable, economically sensible and morally defensible. I will keep your views in mind as the debate continues.

Sincerely,

Richard J. Durbin

United States Senator

RJD/bm

Why is this happening?? Why are we American taxpayers FORCED to pay for the welfare of illegal aliens. Ask any NICU nurse at Sunrise Hospital and they will tell you that anchor babies are a real problem and it's an epidemic!

I just wrote Gov. Gibbons, Barbra Cegvaske, Peggy Pierce and Oscar Goodman. I am so sick of it. They need to stop this now.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/nov/no-illegal-aliens-welfare-dou...

When are those oligarchical lame brains in the government, who allow our streets to be controlled by illegal gang bangers, our prisons to be overrun by alien drug dealers, and our schools to be infiltrated with non-English speaking illegals' children going to realize most citizens want them thrown out on their ears from the offices they claim as a birthright, and are fed up with their galavanting, politicizing every issue, and perpetrating one lie upon another about this monstrosity they have the unmitigated gall to call "health reform"? Thank God for Representative Michelle Baumann from Minnesota, and her supporters, said to be 50,000 strong, who rallied outside of the Capitol building Tuesday, (election day), to protest this atrocity with a resounding "kill that bill", heard even above the sounds of arrogant Congress' men and women; especially by the "blue dog" Democrats who will be up for re-election in 2010, and will be sent packing by their constituents if they support this gargantuan "advocate's nightmare" Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank, and the rest of their ilk call "Health Care Reform".

When will the liberal leaders of this great country start listening to the American people that employ them? Americans are sick and tierd of supporting illegals whose very presence is a clear disregard for our laws! Americans need to make their collective voices heard, declaring once and for all that all illegals be retuirned to the country or countries of there origion and not be given rights o benefits afforded only to American citizens! Our liberal leaders are showing the world that they themselves have NO REGARD for the laws of our nation. It is tytome to put them on notice.We have laws governing immigration to the United States, and it is high time that our leaders start to uphold those laws! Not to do so undermines all law abiding practises and begs the question, "why should I obey any law, when those who govern do not do so", Why should I have any respect for the laws ofthis land when our leaders do not respect our laws"! Wake up America, your leaders are blatantly disregarding the laws of our land.

Working in a hospital for over 30 years, I hate to say it, but illegal immigrants already receive medical care free! No public hospital is allowed to turn away anyone entering the ER. They simply use a common name from their nation of origin, PO Box for an address, and voila...they pay nothing.

My hospital delivered in excess of 4000 "anchor babies" last year at no cost to the parents! Employess have gone over 3 years with no raise and huge increases in the cost of our own medical care plan to pay for these babies.

E-Verify should be a requirement of any health care provision. The Hispanic congressmen and women to include the senators should be put in there place. The US Tax payer is tired of carring the burden for illegals no matter what country of origion they hail from. They should also be aware that the tax payers are watching a lot closer than what they think and some of them are up for reelection which means there free ride may just be over before they think. Keep up the pressure my fellow Numbers brothers and sisters.

I Spoke With Someone At Congresswoman Louise Slaughter, D-NY Office And They Tried To Convince Me That Wording Has Now Been Added To The Hr 3962 Healthcare Bill Stating That Illegals Are Not Covered. I Of Course Explained That Was A Lie. All The Dems Offices All Are Saying The Congressman Is In The Process Of Reading The Bill And Has Not Made A Decision As To How They Are Going To Vote Yet. I Called Them Flat Liars.

Roy, I Sent my Congressman Steve Cohen an email which took him three weeks to answer. He is a typical politician. After reading it twice I wondered what did he say? Since they can't vote on the good parts of the bill I hope it fails. We must absolutely, positively have verification on the illegal aliens.

Of course, Illegal Immigrants will no longer be Illegal after they are all granted amnesty. So, it's almost irrelevant what they are barred from receiving!

I have a question: Roy, I received your e-mail to keep contacting Democratic representatives at 4:34 PM on 11/5. I assumed it was too late to place a call by then, but called the number anyways to be certain. No answer. Will it help if I call in the morning or will it all be decided by then? Thanks

If anything, this seems to be proof positive that we should never grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Why are American citizen congressmen of Hispanic descent holding the health care program hostage to protect illegal aliens? What then are the probable repercussions of an amnesty?

For the record, I am against the health care bill. But I even more against one ethnic group making such demands. Remember 1986!

Of course Obama can agree to not let illegal aliens benefit from the new health bill. It should not be news to anyone that he is counting on amnesty for all illegals soon.

I phoned Senator Begich's office, and asked him to ignore the Hispanic caucus when allowing illegal immigrants came up for a vote in the Senate. I stated we want verification at all levels, for the Exchange and language barring any undocumented from access to any part of the program. The staffer promised to pass the message along. The staffer complained that the legislation was in the House and not the Senate, so not of immediate concern.

Yes, and the Hispanic Lobbyists are Busy trying to Get Quick Full Paid Medicare in the Health Care Reform too

Article in part:

"...Latino leaders, worried that Congress might quietly cut back benefits for legal immigrants, have started an 11th-hour campaign to eliminate waiting periods for them in the proposed legislation and to cancel the existing five-year wait for Medicare and Medicaid programs...."

The rest of the URL:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/health/policy/04immig.html?_r=2&scp=2&...

While 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc generation immigrants called "We the People" and our families have paid into Medicare [like $120/mo] all our lives to maybe get a few years coverage after we turn 65-70....they get it in 5 years??????

This is pure Communist hogwash.

I have two questions/requests:

1) What is the definition of the word "exchange" that I so often see in any discussion pertaining to health insurance options?

2) I agree 100% with all who insist there be no illegal alien access to health benefits defined in the bills under consideration and that there be verification required for all bill provisions - but - I don't understand how Pelosi and her supporters can take the opposite stance which so blatantly sneers at immigartion law and at the wishes of the majority of Americans they represent. They are not dumb. Surely they must be capable of articulating the reasoning behind their position. I'd like to hear it. There are always at least two sides to every issue and while I can not imagine the logic behind their position, surely they purport to have some. What is it? Yes - I know we all believe it's purely an attempt to capture the Hispanic vote - but they can't say that. So - what DO they say? I'd like to know (and I think all of us should want to know) how they defend their position - so that none of us can be accused of only looking at the issue from one viewpoint. If we are all armed with the logic claimed by both sides, we're in a better position to convince those who are not yet convinced that the current versions of these health bills should not be passed. Othersise, we're open to criticism that we're racist and/or we are vulnerable to arguments that we have't heard before and are therefore unprepared with a response.

So - is anyone out there educated on the justifications used by the other side? Do me and all of us a favor by posting it here...

NumbersUSA Moderator: First, the proposed health care exchange would create a marketplace for individuals who can't get insurance through their jobs. The "public option" would be one of the insurance plans available for purchase, which, supporters argue would prevent the private insurers from inflating their prices. The answer to your second question is that Pelosi is hoping that no one takes notice. But thanks to the phone calls and faxes of all NumbersUSA members, the issue has made its way into the news.