I am against foreigners coming into this country and expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. I am tired of our elected officials turning their backs on the citizens that put them in office and I'm tired of those same politicians giving this country away to those foreigners they are hell bent on protecting, Oklahoma voters said -- no more -- and they did something about it, they stopped the free ride for illegals in their state and that is what needs to happen in every state -- stop the free ride -- stop the give away programs -- stop giving American jobs to illegal immigrants -- stop these fat cat employers from taking advantage of the illegal aliens just because they work cheap -- give American workers the first choice -- we built this country -- the illegals didn't -- I am tired of the B.S.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to get up on my soap box but this stuff that is happening now infuriates me -- this is not suppose to happen in America the land of the free -- and not on our watch.

Thank You Mr. Beck for bringing stuff like this to every one's attention.

Sincerely,
Gary 2680

A Christian that believes in the bible could not support illegals. The bible doesn't teach it's followers to lie, cheat, steal and break the laws of a host country, etc.

Personally, I don't attend any church that supports illegals as the Church leaders that support illegals are not only betraying the American people they are betraying God and his word.

Can anyone determine what wages were paid to Americans or legal workers in the 1990's? I am under the impression those jobs paid approximately $12.50 or more an hour.
BUT, the wages paid to the illegal alien labor have been reported to be $10.50 an hour.
How is it possible those exact same jobs are paid $2.50 an hour less, 16, 18, nearly twenty YEARS later? The job did not change except for the probability that the workload increased, if anything!
Illegal aliens need to go home so they can apply to come here legally, if the jobs are available. BUT, that does not mean the jobs should be paid at the lowest amounts by greedy employers. It also does not mean any & all who want to come in, should be allowed. There are reasonable limits.
Greedy employers & those who enable them to commit their crimes, such as greedy & scheming politicians, made all of this possible. THEY are to blame for this entire fiasco. They are the ones who have committed or allowed the abuse of illegal aliens. They are the ones who permit what can only be described as suspiciously influential special interest groups (who all seem to contribute profusely to politicians campaigns & other projects), who have made this such a divisive issue in America.
Illegals aliens are abused by the employers & politicians. They are used by them to promote agenda's none of us would support if we knew what they were up to.
Still, the only real solution for illegal aliens is to go home & to apply to come back legally. And that means, take your children with you. Do not let them here under the false premise that should justify your return. It does not.
Its time those who have gamed the system & those who have created the mess it is in, to come clean about actual facts.
Wages paid to those meat packers were abysmal when compared to what was paid when the jobs were done by Americans or legal workers. That alone reveals this issue is all about money & nothing else!
Can anyone access the info on the wages paid? Can NumbersUSA do a story that reveals this mess? We need the public to get real information that exposes those who have caused all of us this considerable strife & ill will!

NumbersUSA Moderator: See earlier comment about Roy's book below. 

In 1980, meatpacking plants paid average wages of $22.31/hr (inflation adjusted 2007 dollars).  In 2007, average wages in the industry had fallen to $11.81, approximately half of what they had once been (Chicago Tribune 12/5/08).
 

If the churches insist on being political, perhaps it's time to start taxing them.

Any bets on what would happen if the churches were facing property tax because of their refusal to butt out of politics? The silence would be deafening!

Richard 2467
I agree the "religious" leaders are out of control and in my opinion, out of line. Religions do preach tolerance so I can see them helping many different people for many different reasons. If they want to back illegals and an amnesty, fine if they and their followers are gonna support them all. Of course that won't ever happen, many I am sure are already receiving "benefits" from our government. They deny it of course but I work a job that I know some that are getting benefits and they may be legal (now) but do not even speak English! So, how long have they been here and did they contribute anything at all to our system?

I am sure also that not all religious leaders support the "foolish" notion of our immigration laws but they are in the minority from what I have read.....Grew up myself in the Methodist religion but have not set foot in a "Methodist" church since I was 18, nor any other for that matter. Too much "money", "corruption", like our "government".. has clouded the original intention, talk is cheap..

I sometimes wish I had a forum to post my analysis of immigration issues...some way to really get my message out and change the direction of discussion. Here is just one example of many. The meat packing story is one that I can really relate to and it is something I have known about for decades. Here is proof positive that the frequently heard statement, and I mean all over the media, that immigrants are doing jobs that Americans won't do is just BULL.
I was born and raised on the westside of St.Paul Minnesota. Just a couple of miles down river is the city of South Saint Paul. From the early 1920s to late 1950s this was the location of the largest meat packing facility in the world.
Swift and Armour companies were huge packing operations with UNION labor.
Thousands of my neighbors worked there.
Millions of American tables served meat from these facilities and smaller union plants in the area. I recall how the stock trucks would haul their loads down my street all day and night on their way to So. Saint Paul. My neighbors were proud of what they did contrary to the lie that is so frequently heard. They kept the packing plants very clean but the nature of the job made for a hard working atmosphere. Surprise less than 5% of the workers were Mexican Americans.
In the 1960s and 1970s the plants needed to be upgraded and repaired. But the meat packing industry was moved to smaller plants in other areas where they could get non-union and illegal immigrant labor. That was the real reason why So. Saint Paul as shut down. The stock yards provided good solid middle class wages that supported thousands of families. It worked and the country benefited for decades until a few people decided that saving a little money for themselves was worth destorying our way of life.
And if anybody objects, many people who should know better just lie and degrade American citizens by saying we"just will not do that kind of work." Like I said, just so much Bull. Another valuable story that could turn the discussion around but will never be heard.

NumbersUSA Moderator: Roy takes a close look at the meatpacking industry in his book, "The Case Against Immigration."

I have had several disputes about illegal immigration at church, but never with the pastor. He is very diplomatic and never reveals his political stance. I am not Catholic, but I have read commentary that illegals are filling up Catholic churches, which have seen declining membership, and that is the reason for such vocal support of amnesty.

I use a small method of protest that makes me feel a little better, even though it probably has no pragmatic effect. I always use a check to make my Sunday donation. In the lower left hand area of the check, in the "for" area. I write "Not to support illegal aliens". And then I highlight those words with a fluorescent green highlighter so it can't be missed.