Why is it that illegals are out there in the streets with their Mexican flags wanting Amnesty and yet we just sit back and watch it happen. We need to get out there by the thousands to protest against Amnesty. Not likely but perhaps Obama and friends will notice that the American people are totally against giving the freedoms and rights that we fought for to those who broke the law even if it a civil law. Ya want to get a free pass - spend four (4) years fighting for this country and perhaps we'll give it to you. You cannot just take you must first give and then you will be entitled to what we American Citizens have.

NumbersUSA Moderator: Lots of people agree with you. Our experience is that most NumbersUSA members don't have the time to march down to a local Congressional office, much less Washington D.C. By the way, a nationwide effort to march down to local Congressional offices would be a bigger story than a one-day march in Washington.

Is anyone checking to see that George Soros and the Carnegie foundation is following the law and that they themeselves and those working for them are here legally. We need to pressure these people who are encouraging those that broke federal law to stay here. Who is watching these groups?

There was an editorial in my local paper this morning that go me thinking.

Mr. Obama will likely try to force through his health care plans just before the amnesty bill so all of them will get cheep or free coverage. With the recent CHIP program, all of the anchor babies are already covered. As soon as both the health care plan and the amnesty are on the books we will have to start paying for the 15 million that receive amnesty then the 50 million chain migration family members that come over.

Aside from the medical care now, all of these folks will be eligible for programs including medicare, medicaid, unemployment, social security, SSI, that we have been paying into all of our lives.

Mr. Obama is already making noises that social security and medicare are in trouble and either higher taxes and or later starting dates for Americans will be necessary, in part to support the newly legalized illegals.

I would really like to see NumbersUSA help us to fight any health care reform that would include the illegals, their children, and their extended families.

If we can defeat health care reform, the Amnesty will be more difficult to pass.

Yes, Americans need more affordable health care and health insurance, but if the program covers the illegals, it will end up costing the majority of Americans more for coverage, and there will be waiting lines at hospitals and doctors offices to get in.

NumbersUSA Moderator: Yes, amnesty will let them get all the benefits such as social security, health care, medicare, medicaid, even though 80% of illegal aliens have a only high school diploma or less and do not earn nearly enough money to pay in as much as they will take out of these programs. WE will be the ones paying for them. They come here illegally, and we pay for them. Please see our new Taxpayer Burden page which is available by clicking on "Issues" on the blue bar near the top of our home page. Or it is available here.

Let's quit blaming the idiots in DC for we are the idiots that put them there. If you really want to make a difference, start a campaign to get those that support amnesty voted out. In the mean time write, call, fax your representatives and senators; not once but often and get the word out to all your family & friends to do the same. Congress will listen, but only if enough of us pressure them and let them know their jobs are in danger.

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I can understand that they want others to have the same opportunity that they had,but to do it in such away as to harm America is unforgivable........of course when your a billionaire you don't have to worry about someone taking your job for less money !

I greatly respect the contributions that legal immigrants have made to the United States. Since every nation exercises the right to control its own borders, it is astounding to me that some citizens of this country apparently would draw no distinction between legal and illegal immigration. Repeated immigration amnesties and lax enforcement of immigration laws effectively undercut a nation's ability to have its immigration laws-- and its sovereignty-- respected.

If every nation were to adopt completely open borders with every other nation, effectively there would be no functional nation state sovereignty, since it would not even be possible in the future from a practical standpoint to determine nationalities/citizenships.

Gregorian can be contacted at vg@carnegie.org, although an assistant will likely be screening them first.

I don't really understand how Soros and Gregorian benefit from mass immigration. Why would they want to impoverish most Americans? Do they want the U.S. to turn into Mexico, and why on earth would they want to?

Thanks Roy, for a very informative post. For another example, let us not forget David Gelbaum, who has donated over $100 million (tied to land purchases) to the Sierra Club - in order to have it serve as his proxy.

To better understand how the Sierra Club has become in large part Gelbaum's proxy organization supporting "open borders," it is helpful to review a few paragraphs of a 27 October 2004 Los Angeles Times news story (The complete article is available from their website using this link.)

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-donor27oct27,0,1131368.story?col...

COLUMN ONE - The Man Behind the Land

David Gelbaum has shunned publicity while giving millions to preserve California wilderness and teach youths about nature.
By Kenneth R. Weiss, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

October 27, 2004

.....But he said Pope long had known where he stood on the contentious issue.

"I did tell Carl Pope in 1994 or 1995 that if they ever came out anti-immigration, they would never get a dollar from me."

Gelbaum said he was a substantial donor at the time but not yet the club's largest benefactor. Immigration arose as an issue in 1994 because Proposition 187, which threatened to deny public education and health care to illegal immigrants, was on the state's ballot.

He said he was so upset by the idea of "pulling kids out of school" that he donated more than $180,000 to the campaign to oppose Proposition 187. After the measure passed, he said, he donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to civil rights lawyers who ultimately got the measure struck down in court.

Gelbaum, who reads the Spanish-language newspaper La Opinión and is married to a Mexican American, said his views on immigration were shaped long ago by his grandfather, Abraham, a watchmaker who had come to America to escape persecution of Jews in Ukraine before World War I.

"I asked, 'Abe, what do you think about all of these Mexicans coming here?' " Gelbaum said. "Abe didn't speak English that well. He said, 'I came here. How can I tell them not to come?'

"I cannot support an organization that is anti-immigration. It would dishonor the memory of my grandparents.".....

As a former Sierra Club member, I found this sellout for Gelbaum's donations to be repugnant. I hope that the connection between overpopulation and environmental destruction will be restored by the Sierra Club as they repudiate the policies recently procured by David Gelbaum.

Mass immigration is destroying what was once a country of open spaces, livable cities, decent jobs, and hope for minority citizens. And that was just 40 years ago. Mass immigration is turning our nation into a congested, grid-locked, urban madhouse with slums that are again growing. Black and Hispanic citizens who were moving into the middle class must now compete with hordes of illegal immigrants for jobs that no longer provide a decent middle class life. Michelle Obamas born today will be lucky to graduate from high school, much less Princeton.

Based on the crimes that Soros and Gregorian are committing against our people, it is hard to think of them as anything but illegal immigrants. Maybe that's why they have thrown in with the others, and with crooked businessmen and venal members of Congress. I don't understand how they can show such contempt for the lives and welfare of hundreds of millions of ordinary Americans. But, maybe these crass elitists aren't as vicious as they seem, maybe they just suffer from a kind of ethically debilitating moral stupidity.