By James Edwards, Updated Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 9:47 PM EST - posted on NumbersUSA

Just about the time the Center for Immigration Studies was holding a press briefing at the National Press Club about the immigration and health reform connection, proponents from President Obama on down were denying that illegal aliens would receive taxpayer-funded health care under pending legislation.
I’m here to tell you, as I told the Press Club crowd, the legislation on the table does, honest to goodness, effectively extend coverage to illegal aliens.
Take the premium subsidy in the House bill, H.R. 3200. This lies in the part of the legislation (Division A, Title II) that creates a Health Choices Administration, adds the infamous “public option,” sets up and runs the “exchange” clearinghouse for getting insurance, and controls a graduated premium subsidy program through allocation of “individual affordability credits.”
The subsidy, found in Section 242, will give a voucher to people earning between 133 percent of the official poverty level and 400 percent of that income level (or, up to about $88,000 a year for a family of four).
Legal immigrants certainly qualify under H.R. 3200 for this subsidy. Section 242(a)(1) makes eligible "an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States (other than as a nonimmigrant described in a subparagraph (excluding subparagraphs (K), (T), (U), and (V)) of section 101(a)(15) of the Immigration and Nationality Act)."
A political fig leaf purports to keep illegal aliens from receiving the subsidy. Section 246 says, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
However, reading the legislation as a whole, its glaring omission is any requirement to verify someone’s immigration or citizenship status. For instance, H.R. 3200 makes no reference to the verification system in current law that’s used for nearly all government welfare and other public programs. If lawmakers wanted enrolling agents, including bureaucrats at the new Health Choices Administration, to use the Systematic Alienage Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) system, the bill should include a reference and authorize SAVE’s application to this government program.
In other words, the silence of H.R. 3200 regarding SAVE and mandatory verification makes Section 246 just empty words. In fact, the Ways and Means Committee outright voted down an amendment by Rep. Dean Heller to require eligibility verification before qualifying someone to receive a taxpayer subsidy. Also, "lawfully present" covers a lot of ground. Does it include someone here under Temporary Protected Status, for instance? Again, the absence of eligibility verification requirements leaves open a lot of room for waste, fraud, and abuse.
A similar situation of setting up blinders occurs in H.R. 3200’s Medicaid provisions. Division B’s Title VII, Section 1701 expands Medicaid eligibility to those with incomes a third above the federal poverty level. This provision dictates that "the State shall accept without further determination the enrollment under this title of an individual determined by the Commissioner to be a non-traditional Medicaid eligible individual." In other words, the bill prohibits asking any further questions about new Medicaid enrollees.
Rather, the bill section promotes "presumptive eligibility" concerning Medicaid expansion. Read it for yourself, right from Section 1702(a):
(ii) PRESUMPTIVE ELIGIBILITY OPTION- Pursuant to such memorandum, insofar as the memorandum has selected the option described in section 205(e)(3)(B) of the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, the State shall provide for making medical assistance available during the presumptive eligibility period and shall, upon application of the individual for medical assistance under this title, promptly make a determination (and subsequent redeterminations) of eligibility in the same manner as if the individual had applied directly to the State for such assistance except that the State shall use the income-related information used by the Commissioner and provided to the State under the memorandum in making the presumptive eligibility determination to the maximum extent feasible. (emphasis added)
And, once again, the lack of any provision mentioning or requiring verification, mandatory use of the SAVE system under this part of the bill, or any other accountability requirement opens the process up to signing up illegal aliens for Medicaid.
In the Energy and Commerce Committee, a mandatory verification amendment was voted down when Rep. Nathan Deal offered it. A political figleaf amendment was added by voice vote, but the loopholes and potential for waste, fraud, and abuse remain wide open in the Medicaid provisions.
Whatever you think of health reform, a combination of things makes it certain that illegal aliens will receive government health coverage. The most obvious is the omission — heck, the outright rejection of corrective amendments — of eligibility verification requirements. The other factor is the designed ease of enrolling people in Medicaid, for "affordability credits," and the like.
Bottom line, the health legislation Congress is considering establishes an "enroll now, don’t ask questions later" regime. That’s a recipe for covering more people, but many of whom may not actually qualify. A huge number are almost guaranteed to be illegal aliens or legal immigrants still in their first five years in the country who are supposed to turn to their visa sponsor for financial support. And having more people in a public program translates pretty quickly into higher costs. In this case, we’re talking on the order of tens and hundreds of billions of dollars.
Please read more, where CIS has published my analysis.
DR. JAMES EDWARDS is one of the legislative specialists who represents NumbersUSA daily on Capitol Hill. He is co-author of "The Congressional Politics of Immigration Reform"
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TwitterDavid1377 of PA
Mon, 09/14/2009 - 9:32am
I heard that in this health care bill it states, "if you have been in this country for 31 days you can opt for public health care and if you cannot afford the premiums you will be given credits to use toward getting it." Is there something in the Bill to this effect?"
Dan6444 of FL
Sat, 09/12/2009 - 8:31am
Think about this.
If the government gives amnesty to 12 million illegal aliens, they will no longer be illegal aliens. Therefore they will be covered under Obamacare and he will not have lied to the American people, just misled them.
Carolyn0116 of ID
Fri, 09/11/2009 - 6:18pm
Dr. Edwards,
I have a question for you. Judge Andrew Napolitano said on the Fox Neil Cavuto show on September 10th that if the United States adopts universal healthcare coverage, Constitutionally illegal aliens must be covered.
This is paraphrased in a blog because I cannot find a transcript, but I heard it as well.
"According to lawyer and judge Andrew Napolitano, what the liberals and Dems fail to tell you is that the United States is bound by the U.S. Constitution to provide medical care to citizens and non-citizens alike should the Federal Government of the United States mandate and manage health care. According to the U.S. Constitution, if one class of people are to receive benefits under Federal law, then all classes of people, REGARDLESS OF CITIZENSHIP, are required to receive fair and equitable treatment. This goes for health care and anything else. (Ref. the debate on Gitmo detainees and why liberals feel they "deserve" the same rights in the U.S. as citizens should they be detained on U.S. soil ~ same thing.)
The U.S. Constitution does not allow the Federal Government to discriminate on the basis of citizenship, and Obama ~ being a Constitutional Lawyer ~ KNOWS THIS."
http://www.sodahead.com/blog/150657/hr3200-will-require-illegal-immigran...
If this is true it needs to be told far and wide. We will have our country overrun in no time because any legislation passed preventing illegal aliens from obtaining healthcare
will not withstand court challenges.
Please respond.
Thank you.
Carolyn
David1438 of FL
Fri, 10/30/2009 - 10:42am
It is true. And for all those wondering why the likes of Durbin, Schumer, Pelosi, et al, including some republicans, are hell bent on amnesty, click on this link.
www.cis.org/articles/2006/back706.html
It also mentions the cowards tactic of voting the will of the people, but then refusing to fund it, in effect killing it, but enabling them to be on record as voting for it.
Harold4328 of CO
Fri, 09/11/2009 - 5:41pm
Could it be that the reason Obama claims his health plan won't cover those here illegally is because he intends to eventually make them all American citizens? Actually, they're all being taken care of right now, which is one big reason the cost of health care has risen so dramatically. They aren't paying, the rest of us are.
David7604 of IN
Fri, 09/11/2009 - 4:41pm
Yesterdays letter across america to blogs and the national media.
The only way President Obama has any possibility of passing health care reform, is a commitment to remove illegal immigrants from gaining entrance to any public option? In the health care bill they must--PROVE--to the majority of the American People that--NO ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONAL--will be able to bleed the government extension in the package. An amendment to the 1000 page reform bill, must guarantee--IN THE WORDING-- that a very thorough background identity check is performed on any applicant who applies? E-Verify would be a progressive identifier, with an initial examination of Social Security number in conjunction with Homeland Security Databases.
To complete the operation of E-Verification this PC application, must branch out across the country as a permanent tool in business and industry for every worker newly hired or long time employee. Thousands or even millions of illegal workers could be hiding in plain site in the workplace, as they have never been checked as a citizen or legal residency compliance? It also seems that the auditing of 1-9 forms around the country, that the federal authorities forget to mention that irregularities by employers only allows them to dismiss the applicant? The fact is that ICE raids have trailed off, so that any illegal workers--ARE NOT DEPORTED--they can move onto yet another workplace. Anybody who is suspected of being in this sovereign nation illegally should be detained and held for ICE inspection, not released into the public mainstream?
We all know that Fraudulent ID is so prevalent, that all security systems have been compromised, with even al-Qaeda murderers who brought down three passenger jets. On 9/11 these terrorists had in their possession numerous authentic drivers’ licenses and other picture ID. E-Verify is not perfect and can be cheated, but as it's modified, collecting more tools to compliment the enforcement program it success rate will become exemplary. Those hired workers who then find themselves under suspicion, can have errors resolved through any Social Security agency. That special interest groups have remained silent about this matter, doesn't need any explanation? most Americans want enforcement at our borders, the workplace, so contact your reluctant politician at 202-224-3121 MORE HONEST INFORMATION AT NUMBERSUSA & JUDICIAL WATCH. REMEMBER NO MORE BLANKET AMNESTIES!
By the way, I'm for an introduction of a public option in health care reform for Americans, but not for illegal foreign nationals. THEY BROKE OUR LAWS AND SHOULD BE REMOVED?
Walter4251 of OK
Fri, 09/11/2009 - 4:22pm
it may be true that illegal aliens will be excluded from TeddyCare . . . . BUT "theONE" has previously repeatedly stated that he intends to give the illegal aliens amnesty . . . . once they have amnesty they are no longer illegal and will be given FREE (to them) medical care. promise technically kept by in reality broken
Richard6783 of MA
Fri, 09/11/2009 - 5:57am
Illegals get health coverage now, probably even vote, this has got to stop! The President is lying.
Actually the problem with unqualified voting is more among people who are legally present but not citizens. The main doorway is motor voter registration which is not easy for people who are not legally present to get because they are not authorized to drive in most states.
Karl8555 of TN
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:35pm
Apparently the article in thespectrum.com I referenced is old news. Probably real old to some readers. I just found it. Felt it was important to state this update. Still feel news like this, if verifiable, is worthy to note for the purposes of staying the course.
Karl8555 of TN
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:20pm
Karen 6880 of AZ, I noticed you mentioned the law in AZ that punishes business owners for knowingly hiring illegal aliens. You and everyone else should check out thespectrum.com, and read the article from 9-9-09 about illegals fleeing back to Sonora and overburdening their infrastructure. Apparently they're a little ticked. Good job Arizona!
I also agree that all the states should pass a law like this. Doing it on the state level would probably get the job done a lot faster than it's getting done by the forlorn feds. Oh, and congrats to AZ for getting shed of Napolitano, but did you have to give her to the rest of the country?
John0384 of FL
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 6:24pm
While there are other "ways" to express disapproval of our President/Administration, Joe Wilson only said what millions of us were thinking AND it garnered more "press" than the "press" would have ever given it through the "proper" channels....Illegals get health coverage now, probably even vote, this has got to stop! The President is lying and for his "no matter what supporters" he is NOT A DEITY!
Julia1183 of CA
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:58pm
I watched the Obama speech last night....I tell you....Joe Wilson is my new hero! He said what many of us were thinking and screaming at our TV's! We all need to call Obama out on his lies about illegal immigration and his providing them coverage in the health plan and amnesty later.
Albert3441 of PA
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:36pm
Congressman Wilson’s words may have been blunt and ill timed, but they were not wrong. By refusing to include any requirement for verification of lawful residence into his legislative proposal, President Obama has created an opening for massive fraud that will enable illegal aliens to freeload off the new healthcare system, enlarging the existing array of rewards for illegal immigration.
Interestingly, the mainstream media has paid almost no attention to the truth value of what the congressman said, only to the manner in which he said it. They focused on style rather than substance, enabling them to deflect criticism away from Obama (where it rightfully belongs) and onto the congressman.
Perhaps if the congressman were to receive 100,000 letters of congratulation from ordinary citizens who happen to agree with his statement, the press might become curious about why he spoke as he did.
Martin 1153 of WA
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 1:31pm
The Open Border Anarchists Love to Twist Word Meanings in Their Favor too
For instance, Fairus.org had a recnt Reuters article on the fact that about 1/3 of foreigners want to become US citizens to get welfare. An open border blogger incorrectly [IMO] alleged back that recent immigrant applicants were the least to want welfare.
The article Fairus.org referenced in part:
"While economic worries may be taking a toll on overall satisfaction, economic and practical concerns are much more important reasons to become a citizen than they were in 2002....and to qualify for government programs like Medicaid and food stamps (...36 percent..."
The rest of the URL:
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS17754+09-Sep-2009+PRN200...
Its a word game. In Washington State we don't call Medicaid and food stamps welfare anymore, its "Social Supports". So legally the open border anarchist blogger had a small [moot, in my opinion] point, but scientifically and common sense agrees with Fairus.org....a good third of them want to become citizens for the welfare and that [IMO] includes Health Reform, especially if it passes with the public option and no specific E-verify type screen against illegal aliens to prevent it.
Joel4083 of PA
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:50pm
We have to get someone in the media or at a town hall to ask the question properly:
Mr. President, if you are intent on passing a "Comprehensive Amnesty Bill" in 2010, as newly legal residents wouldn't this make the 15 million illegals (that have not already signed up with false IDs and actual 1040s from their criminal employers) all eligible for subsidized US health care with most qualifying at the 133% of poverty level for absolutely free health care?
Mr. President would you be willing to exclude illegals now from HR3200 or whatever bill ends up passing by insisting that proof of citizenship and verification be added to the bill, and will you Mr. President put in writing for us that if by some chance the amnesty bill were to be passed that former illegals will remain excluded?
The wording of any bill should state: American Citizens only and leave out the current wording of "legal residents".
Amy0963 of TN
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 9:20pm
There's the loophole. Again.....he lies.
Maureen5088 of CA
Wed, 09/02/2009 - 4:15pm
Here in L.A. County we are forced to pay $48,000,000(million) PER MONTH just to provide food stamps & welfare for ILLEGAL aliens and their "anchor/jackpot" babies. Now, follow me here, this $48 million dollars A MONTH does not even include the cost of public education and health care. Check this out....all you open borders & sanctuary city advocates can pay up, I'M BROKE!
George9871 of GA
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 9:02pm
I watched the Obama speech about the health care reform Bill. Once he came to the part about illegals not being covered, some really loud jeers and boos rang out! They know he is lying.
Despite the E-Verify victory, we still face defeat if illegals are health care amnestied from this health care reform. We have very little time left, have to defeat all health car coverage for illegals in this Bill. If we fail to do so, we must defeat the ENTIRE Bill and come up with another that ONLY provides health care for Americans and legal immigrants.
Jeffrey8677 of CT
Sun, 08/30/2009 - 8:56pm
Can anyone define what a "non traditional" Medicaid
applicant would be or have to do to be considered
"eligible" for health care benefits under the proposed
House legislation?
I am sure it is probably loosely defined and quite
easy to qualify for but just wonder who you would have
to be or what you have to do to get this designation to transition from an ineligible person to a covered individual and get cut in on the sweet deal in HR 3200.
Seems like an engineered loophole for an undocumented
foreign national that was intentionally inserted for just such a contingency.
Thanks.
Linda3349 of IL
Sat, 08/29/2009 - 12:52pm
I'm getting to the point where I am ashamed of my country and the fools I unfortunately voted for. When will our President and the rest of them stop caring about illegals and start caring about US- THE TAXPAYERS?? Why should I continue to support people who are in MY country ILLEGALLY???? When I came upon hard times I didn't receive and "aid" oh thats right I'm a taxpayer I don't qualify. Why don't the bleeding hearts that care about the illegals pay for their health care out of their pockets and leave US TAXPAYERS ALONE!!!!!
Helen0364 of KS
Sat, 08/29/2009 - 3:25pm
I'm with you Linda. These LIBERAL PINHEADS are ruining our country. Hopefully Nov. 2010 will remedy the situation, otherwise GOD HELP US ALL.We need to turn to God,he is the answer,I think.
erva6809 of FL
Sat, 08/29/2009 - 6:05pm
No, I think about it, Jesus is the answer for the world today. bone up on your bible and get back to a bible believing church, take a look at www.jvim.com they will show you whats happening now God is our only hope, man will take you to hell and satan is working more and more to get people dead before the Lord can save them. Look at all the murders, children kidnapped and found dead, more and more than ever. Jesus is the ONLY answer.
Richard 4541 of ID
Sat, 08/29/2009 - 11:08pm
I briefly left the page and lost all the "comment" I had to you, erva6809 of FL! LOL
Oh well. I just wanted to say that yes, we need to pray like it's over if we don't(and it probably will be) but we must also act. If all we did was sit at home and pray, Obama would still take over as planned. )
But we must take action in the form of showing up at the townhall meetings like we did, writing letters,sending e-mails,faxes,making phone calls(you can find all the information on contacting your Senators and Congressional House Reps right here on this site!)
And.......
Please go here and take a look:
and here:
(I hope you like Glenn Beck)
But we must show up, as many of us that possibly can, and March on Washington just the way Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. did in 1963! With as many of us that can get to Washington on 9-12-09 and be a part of history! Glenn is merely reporting on this. He, otherwise has nothing to do with it. It's all just "regular" citizens forming this grassroots movement. They say we are too organized while we were merely showing up at townhalls to voice our opposition to this dreadful HealthCare bill, while they paid people to go and disrupt us by the buysload! So it IS time for us to organize! Nothing wrong, nor illegal about it! We will be peaceful, but we will be heard!
It is a grassroots movement by "WE THE PEOPLE" to be heard by Washington, who are trying their best to ignore us. NO MORE!!! Peacefully, of course. Hope to see you there!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!
Rick
Boise, Idaho
Linda 9209 of IL
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 7:17am
Theresa5408 of OH says ''but liberals are adamant about providing for their welfare ''
Theresa stop making this a right versus left issue.
I am a liberal and I have been against immigration both LEGAL AND ILLEGAL for over 30 years.
Let's keep this civil and real - don't get all ''town howlee'' on liberals.
Liberals pay taxes too, and LIBERALS SUPPORT IMMIGRATION REFORM.
Theresa5408 of OH
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 6:55am
I'm confused....explain to me again how allowing illegals all our freedoms and priviledges differs from American citizens. OH! Would that be the RIGHT TO VOTE? No, that can't be it. Not with agencies like ACORN perpetrating fraudulent IDs so they CAN vote - for whoever is paying for their vote. I see now, THAT'S why need to ensure they get the best of what America has to offer. Including housing, food, healthcare, schooling, etc. But yet are not required to learn English. I know Hispanics who have entered our country legally are just as outraged as any citizen. Maybe even more so since they fought for the right to be here legally while other members of their community take and take and make their situation more difficult. These people should at least be in jail, at most be deported, but liberals are adamant about providing for their welfare - WITH MY MONEY! NO MORE!
Bill 5629 of FL
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 12:17am
It is more than apparent that we are being manipulated by a government, from the very top on down,assuming we are all idiots that have no idea what they are perpatrating on us, all in the name of corruption and garnering tens of millions of illegal votes when they and their chain families of aunts,uncles,nieces,nephews, cousins and grandparents arrive for healthcare, welfare, and social security.
Marxism is great, until you run out of everybody elses money! Ask Castro and Chavez!!!
Florence2769 of PA
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 9:04pm
Senator Spector said at a town hall meeting that he would not vote for a bill that covers illegal aliens. This was echoed by the President. They HAVE to know that the loopholes in Section 1702 and 1714 of H.R.3200 guarantee the ILLEGALS WILL BE INCLUDED. How disingenuous and dishonest can these politicians be???
Julie9770 of MD
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 7:13pm
An excellent article written by Dr. Edwards explaining one of the many unbelieveable true facts included in this health care reform bill. Taxpayers dollars will once again be used to cover illegal immigrants and others who chose not to purchase health care, as well as those who chose not to work and would rather be given a free handout. This administration continues to push America further and further into debt and that is their plan. By making things so desperate for many, they will gain the power and control over our lives they are looking for. Americans should be scared by everything this president and his administration are trying to do, often very quietly and behind the scenes, before it is too late. People need to start listening to the both sides of the issue and not just blindly believe everything this administration or their party tells them. It's time for people to actually open up their minds and read everything they can possibly find concerning health care reform, as well as all the CZARs and other officials that have been appointed by this president and his administration. We owe it to our future and our children's future to research and learn everything we can about what is going on with this administration. They are gaining more and more control everyday and they are planning it very carefully and secretively. The new person in charge of diversity for the FCC is even trying to get rid of free speech in a back handed way, that is not so obvious to the American public. Please read up on what he is trying to do to our television and radio stations and how the penalties that government will impose on them will run them right out of business. This administration continues to do everything they can to destroy all of the freedoms our forefathers fought so hard to attain, as well as the US Constitution. This administration, their corruption and their quest to become all powerful and in control of everything aspect of our lives, must be stopped. All Americans need to stand together against these atrocities and not be afraid to speak out and to speak the truth. I implore everyone to start listening, reading, researching and writing to their congressmen and women to voice their concerns and dislike for the way this administration is taking our country in the wrong direction.
Sande 0377 of TX
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 5:08pm
There is only one reason the language in this bill appears to deny coverage to illegal aliens. Back in the day, it was called something like "plausible deniability".
Richard2467 of TX
Tue, 08/25/2009 - 4:57pm
Reid and Pelosi plan to cut services offered by Medicare and pass the saving on to fund health care for illegal aliens. If you are a senior citizen, you should be scared. Death panels?
Karen1056 of NV
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 1:30am
My husband and I are senior citizens. Harry Reid is from our state. We will do everything we can to keep him from being re-elected. We are scared to death of what this newly elected socialist congress wants to do to our lives and our rights. If we become complacent, God help us. We won't know what hit us! All of us must stay diligent and keep up the fight. Most importantly our numbers must keep growing! Illegals are just one of many problems we are contending with at this time! Politicians who are pro illegal immigration and illegals, use each other to get what they want. Illegal and unaccountable votes (via ACORN etc.) for one and being permitted to live in this country at the taxpayers expense for the other.
Albert0222 of FL
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 10:28am
Unfortunately it goes even deeper than the illegal immigration issue and ACORN. President Obama is appointing Czars to positions which appear to be for the purpose of limiting free speech, especially the conservative voice. Their backgrounds have been associated with the Black Panthers and Marxist organizations. One even praised Hugo Chevas. The question is why are people who hold views such as this being appointed as Czars and for that matter, why do we need Czars? I can only surmise the goal is social reform and I don't mean Capitalism.
If you think this is far fetched, just look at the news media today, the colleges and several well healed people who push the far left approach. A few decades ago, I was told by a political science major student that he was given an opinion by his professor that there are many in Congress and business people in the U.S. who are pushing for a world government based on Socialism. I thought this to be hogwash until Robert McNamara became president of the World Bank, then Europe went to the Euro and the U.N.(a totally useless Organization) is trying to make most issues a world issue.
I agree that Harry Reid and for that matter Nancy Pelosi have no regard for the people and only interested in pushing their far left agenda. I do hope you are able to remove him from Congress. Good luck.
erva6809 of FL
Sat, 08/29/2009 - 5:56pm
Take a look at the DVD, SIX, the mark unleashed, also The List and there's lots more, TAKE a look at some of the tv showings at www.jvim.com. The bible tells the whole story in Revelation, Ezekiel, etc. Get ready, Jesus is coming.
Brandy
Gretchen 0293 of CA
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 10:32pm
Harry Reid and Pelosi MUST go. Remove.
them now, how stupid do they think we are not to see through them both.
GVL
George9871 of GA
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 10:59pm
To answer that statement, Gretchen0293, I read a latest poll on Reid and appears that he is in trouble after all. The 'King of Amnesty' is now on the ropes with a 42% approval rating. Nevada voters now are more aware of his strong support for amnesty and will no longer be fooled. As for Pelosi, the 'Queen of Amnesty,' I believe too she is up for reelection, however do not know what her polls are. If we can get at least one of them out next November, it'll still be huge. Question is though and something to to really think about, should Reid be voted out but the Democrats still having control, we CANNOT have the Senate replace him with another amnesty juggernut. Something to watch out for!!
George9871 of GA
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 10:52pm
Well, are we sad to see the passing of Ted Kennedy? Being the brother of John F Kennedy, it really is hard to say being a brother of one of the greatest Presidents. One thing we will NOT miss.....his support for amnesty. Question is who is going to take his place as Mass Senator?? And will he or she be another amnesty supporter??
Another question, Ted Kennedy's support for amnesty has made him corrupt. Now, if both of his brothers, John and Robert were still alive and alive and well, would they be corrupt as Ted over the immigration crisis and support amnesty?? I know I'm not the only one thinking of this. Has anyone thought of this?
Beverly4527 of AL
Sun, 08/30/2009 - 8:58am
I'm sorry George, but I don't share your opinion of the Kennedy boys. They were corrupt a long time ago. I liked Bobby as a Senator until he helped his brother JOHN cover up the death of Marilyn Monroe. If they had nothing to do with her death, why did they cover it up?
And Ted Kennedy, at Chappaquiddick, He covered up the fact that he left that girl in that car,pregnant by him. An accident? I don't believe it for a moment. He could have saved her. But he got away with his inexcusable behavior. Call a spade a spade, please. And his son or nephew, raped a girl in Fla. and got away with that. The Kennedys have gotten away with their corrupt behavior all of their lives. Why? because people idolize them and it was all just involving women, so why worry about it.
So please don't insult my intelligence, by making a remark about his support for Amnesty for illegal aliens has made him corrupt. He has always been corrupt, and now maybe they can put someone decent in. Someone that is actually on the side of CITIZENS.
Gerald D.1980 of WA
Sat, 08/29/2009 - 12:02pm
In 1965 Teddy was instrumental in pushing thru the Hart-Celler Act which completely changed the complexion of our immigration policies. JFK had advocated for a "skills" based immigration policy, which was productive for our country. Teddy's (and LBJ's) immigration legislation was geared toward regional quotas, which has had a devastating impact. It is the root cause of our illegal immigration problems of today, particularly along our southern border.
So .... you ask about JFK and Bobby? I think they'd kick Teddy's rear if they could see how he brought shame to their family name by his behavior and decisions that have hurt this nation .... including immigration, economy, Vietnam, Bork, Iraq, dividing the Congress, etc.
Richard 4541 of ID
Sat, 08/29/2009 - 6:18pm
Right On Gerald! Jack and Bobby would be ashamed if they'd have lived to see what Teddy turned into. Of course EVERYTHING would have been different had they lived. They were not of the same politics of their own father.
Jack and Bobby were men of honor and thought rather conservatively. Teddy went off the deep end after their deaths with the rest of the Democrat Progressives, which, to me, the word "Progressive" is just another term for Socialist. You surely can be a Democrat and still be a conservative. I was one for quite a while, but actually thought I was a Liberal, not knowing what a Liberal was,till I actually put the platforms of the two major parties side by side and compared them. Not much difference till you look very deep and interpret the meaning of some of the Democrat policies. Too much of it seems to leave the door wide open for "CHANGE," a word we've heard too many times in the past couple of years.
If you are a "Constitutionalist" like me,(and I believe we all should be,it is the way our Founding Fathers meant it to be)you don't WANT a lot of "Change" do you?
I don't think the Health Care system is as broken as many people, mostly Liberals, think it is. Never should we allow illegal aliens to access our health care system, even if they are willing to pay for it, except in case of an emergency and we are not a heartless people so we'd allow them a taxpayer paid ER visit, just before deportation though. That's the way I feel about it. We should treat an emergency, and I don't mean going to the ER for a cold either.(a heart attack, YES)But when asked about insurance, as they always ask for a card,when they say they have no insurance, they always have the Identification card to run, and should. If they come up illegal, ICE should be called and they should do their job and start deportation proceedings immediately. I am tired of our laws that have been on the books forever not being enforced!Now....
Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid need fixed.I believe just about all of us agree on that.But we also need to ask why they need fixed? They shouldn't need fixing but they do,and here's part of the reason why, as far as I can tell anyway:
Because the trusts for these entities have been poorly managed,and "raided" more than once,used for things that have nothing to do with these systems,with the funds stolen from them never being returned or replaced!
The fact that my generation didn't have as many kids to pay into the Ponzi-like scheme that IS Social Security,as our parent's and grandparent's generations did,and with the baby boomers starting to retire puts a major strain on the system. The solution?
In part: Find and return the money stolen from these organizations,"borrow" no more from these trusts,find some money somewhere to supplement them(maybe some of that "Stimulus" money that is being wasted on the pork Obama swears is not in the bill-what a joke!)and it should start fixing itself in time.But it can only fix itself after getting the help I suggested as money HAS indeed been stolen from Social Security and Medicare.
A "Stimulus" for the SSA.And take the needed monies from the current "Stimulus" package that is being spent,or will eventually be spent in that PORK laden spending bill!
We are a Capitalist Society.That means you don't get penalized for being successful!And you definitely don't get rewarded for being unsuccessful. Now, I'm not saying let the poor starve or keep them from getting health care,as that is precisely what Medicaid is for. You must pay into Medicare to receive it.Not so with MediCAID.Unfortunately many people do not understand the difference.At this point,I'd like to let it be understood that I am only 49 years old and disabled, so I have accessed the Social Security Disability system. The one piece of socialism I agree with, because I'd probably be dead without it.
But I must also point out to those who think it shouldn't exist, that Social Security and Medicare are indeed INSURANCE! And we used to CALL it insurance,as the FICA and Medicare "taxes" are simply your premiums.But now we call it an "Entitlement" which is a word that makes it sound like "charity" as MediCAID is. Medicaid is "welfare." Social Security and Medicare are basically insurance policies. I paid into them all my life,starting at age 15
Rick,
Boise, Idaho
Thomas M. and Donna L.143...
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 6:45pm
We are Scared. This must not go through.
James7427 of IA
Tue, 08/25/2009 - 2:58pm
NumbersUSA Moderator,
Do you know if C-SPAN ran that program last week about the possibility of illegal aliens receiving health care benefits under the proposed legislation? An Action Alert was put out to see if the segment aired, and if it did, to contact C-SPAN and thank them for addressing this issue. A link was posted on the Action Alert to verify its airing, but when I call it up I get an error message. Do you know if it aired?
James Bowen
Ames, Iowa
NumbersUSA Moderator: Yes it aired, and there's a link in the blog to the video. But here's another link.
James7427 of IA
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 5:55pm
NumbersUSA Moderator,
Thank you. I will e-mail C-SPAN and thank them.
James Bowen
Albert3441 of PA
Tue, 08/25/2009 - 11:56am
The absence of a verification requirement in H.R. 3200 is an open invitation to fraudulent use by illegals of benefits intended for our own citizens. There can be no justification whatever for congress to ask the American people to provide free health care to citizens of other countries who are in our county in violation of our laws and against the wishes of our people. The only public revenue that should be expended on illegals is the cost of arresting and deporting them.
I would even be willing to accept a small tax increase to cover the cost of deportation because it would save me a lot of money and aggravation in the future.
David0917 of MD
Tue, 08/25/2009 - 11:10am
Here we go again. I'm so tired of footing the bills for the illegal aliens. We are paying for their children's education, hospital bills, and other social costs. No health care reforms or any benefits for the illegals. We need to send them back and if they want to come here, tell them to do it the legal way.
Murry8294 of MO
Tue, 08/25/2009 - 10:49am
In my opinion the politicians pushing for "no verification" are planting their re-election seeds in the entitlement population fields.
And, have you noticed there have been very few "illegal aliens" at any of the town hall meeting?
Robert3781 of MN
Mon, 08/24/2009 - 11:31pm
Representive Waltz in Minnesota has put a questionaire into some Minnesota Newspapers ( The Fillmore County Journal, for one) asking the opinions of Minnesotans on Obama's healthcare bill.
One of his questions states that Obama's HR3200 health care bill will take $500 Billion from Medicare and use it to give health care coverage to illegal aliens.
He asked us if we wanted $500 billion to be taken from Medicare and given to illegal aliens.....
I guess he is brave enough to tell the truth!
Representative Waltz wanted to know if we Minnesotoans were for that......
I promptly returned his questionaire....
I said .... No.
Karen6880 of AZ
Sun, 08/30/2009 - 7:19pm
Hi Robert, I lived in MN for 60 years and retired to AZ. I found many peopole there to be apathetic. I call it happy and complacent. Suprised your county is different. Ask your friends to send letters to Congressman and Senators. I now live in AZ, which has many illegals passing through to other states. We have a tough sheriff and AZ law requires a business owner loose license if caught hiring illegals. But still hospitals going broke especially near Tucson treating illegals and especially those injured crossing border. Our sheriff Arpaio is continually fighting opinions of the AZ Republic Newspaper and ICE and liberal politicians. I Can't figure out why many politicans want illegals in US. can't trust politicans.
Laurel6425 of IL
Mon, 08/24/2009 - 8:33pm
Thanks for the extremely thorough analysis.
Other analysts have pointed out that illegals are referred to as "non-traditional Medicaid eligible individuals" (p.78 of HB 3200).
On page 747: "The State shall accept without further determination under this title of an individual determined by the Commissioner to be a non-traditional Medicaid individual. The state shall not do any redetermination of eligibility."
Obviously this means that someone already receiving Medicaid benefits(even if fraudulantly)will be automatically "accepted" without further questions.
Sounds like the plan would be to enroll as many illegals as possible into Medicaid before enactment of the plan, then "roll them" into it.
What a bunch of sneaky, devious liars our Congressmen are.
Kathleen4588 of CA
Mon, 08/24/2009 - 6:18pm
Congress is saying this won't extend benefits to illegals but that's only because after this goes in to place their plan is to make all of those illegals LEGAL. Then those folks not eligible now will be eligible then.
Then those folks will move in to other jobs and new illegals will take their place - it's an endless cycle. Our congressmen and women don't care about the American people (citizens and legal residents) - they care only about the vote, and how do they protect the hispanic vote - it's truly discouraging.
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Tom4673 of FL
Wed, 10/21/2009 - 7:54am
The debate over the health
The debate over the health care bill has certainly divided the people in this country. We are so effected that we now criticize one another rather than the illegal actions of our elected officials. Tempers rise to the point of someones finger being bitten off.
It is as if a carrot is being held up by a left hand to distract us while the right hand is passing (1) a defense bill that robs our troops with more pork than ever before in history (2) more job losses (3) more homeless children (4) Seniors do not receive their annual SS cost of living raise while Congress votes themselves a hefty one (5) and Pro-amnesty advocates make big advances. Meanwhile the Republican and Democratic parties play "good cop, bad cop" while we fight over which one is "the lesser of the two evils".
Will Americans continue to fiddle with the carrot while the Country burns?