By Caroline Espinosa, Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 1:17 PM EST - posted on NumbersUSA

The California clothing manufacturer, American Apparel, is firing about 1,800 employees whose identity documents contain irregularities. In other words, they are illegal aliens. The wording in the articles, columns, and editorials written about this would have you believe that the people being fired have done nothing wrong. But they have. They entered the U.S. illegally, overstayed their visas, or are otherwise not permitted to work in the U.S, but are. This doesn’t mean they are bad people, but they are experiencing the consequences of their own actions.
These firings are a gentler effort at enforcement than the much decried workplace raids. Dismissing illegal workers in this manner spares them the ignominy and serious discomforts of detention and deportation. Editorials and columnists are complaining about this type of enforcement now, too. The L.A .Times says that replacing illegal workers with U.S. citizens is a “shell game,” that those fired will be possibly be forced into sweatshops, crime, and public assistance. Tim Rutten, also in the L.A. Times, quotes Msgr. Jarlath Cunnane saying it’s “crazy” to think that the fired workers would return to their homelands. Yet, the L.A. Times reported in September that the Census shows the immigrant population is declining. It shrank 1.6 percent in California, and .3 percent nationwide.
California’s unemployment rate is 12.2 percent, far above the national average, and a 70-year high. These 1,800 jobs at American Apparel pay a living wage with benefits. Californians will be lining up for them as they did for jobs at the House of Raeford in Raeford, N.C. where illegal workers were replaced with unemployed Americans. The move was particularly beneficial for African Americans, who now make up 70 percent of the plant’s workers.
With unemployment numbers far above the national average and the talk of being the first failed state, California’s long history of turning a blind eye to immigration laws and illegal aliens is proving that laws and numbers matter.
Caroline Espinosa formerly was a U.S. Senate Press Secretary and spokesperson for NumbersUSA
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TwitterJohn4820 of NM
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 7:24pm
America is known as "the melting pot of the world." A fine picture: different backgrounds, experiences, peoples melding together to form an alloy that is indestructable.
Sadly, those that are illegal, those that refuse to join the American community, choosing to exist as enclaves, are like stones in an alloy. That weakens the metal. That can cause the metal to break.
For someone to want something so bad as to put up with a top-heavy bureaucracy, to immigrate legally into the U.S., that shows a desire to join the community. Those that wander in under the fence, over the river, they are sneak thieves that look to their own profit.
Oh, yes, and my people immigrated legally. From Ireland, England and Germany.
Jessy4371 of CA
Sun, 10/11/2009 - 3:20pm
Couldn't agree with you more !
Dana4190 of NV
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 3:15pm
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NumbersUSA Moderator: The good news, Dana, is that the report is an old one. You and other NumbersUSA members helped defeat that bill. This Congress has not brought a comprehensive immigration increase and legalization bill to the floor -- yet. Sen. Schumer has promised to introduce one (although he has delayed introduction multiple times).
Michael6191 of SD
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 1:41pm
To all the Hispanic peoples that enter this country legally I say God Bless You and welcome to our great country. It is the illegals that I take issue with and totally support deportation. To our neighbors here legally from the south, I say welcome and God Bless You.
James0642 of AZ
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 1:33pm
As an African-American who is well aware of Hispanic heritage I am especially proud of Mexican Americans who have worked hard like me to achieve their goals legally. They tell me all the time their respect for laws and this country. No one likes a cheater no matter who they are and someone who cuts in line and demands rights is unbelievable. White America is the most generous giving people on earth. They love law abiding people who do not cheat.
Jessy4371 of CA
Sun, 10/11/2009 - 3:33pm
I have noticed at times that there is an "attitude" that the "rules don't apply" when I encounter people that have come here illegally...the WAY they come here has a lot to do with the behavior once they get here. For example...going someplace (doctor's office; spa, etc.)where a sign in English is in place requesting soft voices, and yet employees chattering away loudly in Spanish, as if they don't have to comply with the request. I understand that the people who come here are so desperate that they will take their chance crossing the border, lie to get documents, etc. But once they GET HERE, if they don't make any attempt to learn English and follow the various laws we have...then they are part of a breakdown of the society. I hate to generalize because it isn't EVERYBODY who does this, but after living in Los Angeles since 1981 I have seen this over and over again.
Luz9545 of CA
Wed, 10/07/2009 - 2:08pm
Stephen thanks, my husband and Iam of Mexican origin, Iam redident legal and my husband is Citizen we have 3 daughters. To respect the laws is what has made great to this country.
Joyice8928 of MA
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 8:10am
Welcome to America. I'm happy that you are learning English and sound so proud to be an American. It's to bad that millions of others have not taken the same path as you did. Good for you.
Luz9545 of CA
Wed, 10/07/2009 - 1:36pm
Thanks Richard, I am agreement with you in the urgent need to control illegal immigration. It worries me about the future of this country. I do not want that the United States to become like the other countries of America. Please do not think that all the Hispanics are equal, as in all the races and nationalities there are good and bad people. Among the hispanics there are many people who respect the laws and are very good citizens. -----------------------------------------------------------------Gracias Richard, estoy de acuerdo con ustedes en lo urgente que es controlar la inmigracion ilegal. Me preocupa el Futuro de el pais, no quiero que se convierta igual a los demas paises de America., Por favor no piensen que todos los hispanos somos iguales, como en todas las razas y nacionalidades, habemos gente buena y mala, y hay mucha gente que nos gusta respetar las leyes, y ser muy buenos ciudadanos.
Richard6783 of MA
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 7:12pm
Bienvenido Luz tengo primos latinos de la Republica Dominicana y Mexico es mi orgullo dicer que los que son aqui en mi familia son aqui como ciudidanos o legalmente y una parte de nuestra banda.
I have Latino cousins from the Dominican Republic and Mexico is my pride dicer that those who are here in my family are here legally as ciudidanos or a part of our band.
Richard6783 of MA
Wed, 10/07/2009 - 4:12am
Bienvenido Luz9545, tengo primos latinos de la Republica Dominicana y Mexico y es mi orgullo dicer que los que son aqui en mi familia son aqui como ciudidanos o legalmente y una parte de nuestra banda.
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Welcome Luz9545, I have Latino cousins from the Dominican Republic and Mexico and it is my pride to say that those who are here in my family are here legally some as citizens and are part of our side.
Although my cousin Leonardo was a Mexican Consul his own brother the late Leopoldo who immigrated here legally and became naturalized was one of our organizations supporters.
Stephen3282 of AZ
Wed, 10/07/2009 - 10:14am
I would like to welcome Luz 9545 and her family to America. It is great to see how proud you are of being here legally.
Thomas2924 of IN
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 7:39pm
Richard6783, I like the idea of a comment in Spanish addressed to someone who might appreciate it. There are enough cognates with languages I know to have some idea what you are saying, but that leaves me curious to understand all of it. I encourage you to add a translation so that we can all enjoy what I believe are kind remarks.
Ralph7980 of CO
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 6:36pm
So now even the administrative approach, rather than "arresting raids" of IAs are too much for the open border crowds. This is getting really stupid. In March of this year, Janet Napolitano promised that the employers of IAs would be arrested rather than IA employees. So much for that promise. I personally believe that the one picture on the front pages of newspapers across the nation, resulted in thousands of IAs returning to their home countries.
And now the 287(g) program has been "redefined" to practically exclude any arrests of IAs on the street, during traffic stops or for anything other than a serious criminal act (and yes, invading another country is not serious in their eyes). But the watering down of the program is not even enough for these same groups. From what I have read, they are now calling for an end to entire 287(g) program. This new demand, is to stop deporting even IA criminals in jails. This is getting to be too much. It is becoming increasingly clear that their eventual goal is completely open and unrestricted borders.
Unfortunately, it seems that we people who are against illegal immigration, spend all our time putting out these silly fires rather than being able to go on the offensive.
Thomas2924 of IN
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 7:08pm
Caroline, you are right, articles written about this leave the impression that these people may have been fired because they made some clerical error. Oops, I seem to have accidentally misplaced my citizenship.
Employment audits followed by mandatory terminations may have real advantages over the Bush administration's raids. The biggest is that they require far less manpower, so more can be carried out. They don't generate any more personal trauma for those fired than 7 million Americans have already experienced in this recession. I think that is fair, because these really are not evil people. And the net effect is probably the same. Deporting people across our porous border does little good. They can be back in a week if they want to be. We need real border control, but even with that, the only effective deterrent to illegal immigration would still be eliminating jobs. And that will work. People don't realize that many of the immigrants in the last big wave a hundred years ago went home when they discovered that they couldn't find steady jobs. And they were legal immigrants with an ocean to cross.
The other important thing about this story is that there are suddenly 1800 jobs for legal workers in the depths of the recession. That should be celebrated by the press as they would celebrate the opening of a factory, as the best employment news in a year.
Luz9545 of CA
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 3:39pm
A LOS ANGELES TIMES, only cares about illegal immigrants ?And what happens to all American Workers who have lost our jobs,including Hispanic Citizen and legal residents, we do not matter?
John7517 of WY
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 2:28pm
American Apparel has a lot of nerve when the put the "Made in the USA" label in their clothes. They might have been physically made here but the purpose of Country of Origin lables was so that people could know that they were buying products that created jobs for Americans. Their stuff might as well have been made in some other country for all the good it does American workers.
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 2:06pm
Comment from Facebook: Donna Turnbow
If they would all do this it could start putting us back on the right road, that is why they allowed them to bombard our country even though the citizens did every thing we could
Maciej0389 of IL
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 12:45pm
I actually wrote an email to American Apparel concerning this very topic and instead of being apologetic, they were defending there actions of hiring illegals.
Michael2817 of CA
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 2:30pm
Really, can you paste the letter here?
Maciej0389 of IL
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 4:39pm
Michael2817
Were you asking me to post my email that I sent and they sent back? If so here it goes. I am going to post the first two emails because the conversation got quite long.
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Hi Mac, Dov has first hand experience what it's like to be an immigrant. He understands that not all individuals have the time and energy to wait the 8-15 years it takes for someone to gain their citizenship. I, a legal immigrant, have many friends that have just given up due to the fact that the process is lengthy, unjust, and simply not working. We're fighting for immigration REFORM here! Instead of spending your energy on boycotting our company how about we get together to spread the word on how the immigration system is broken? Dov is saddened because he knows that many of the people he's letting go have families, are low income, and will struggle for some time after this. He knows that it wont be easy for them as it has been while working here at AA to make ends meet. Simple as that. While I respect your comments I don't agree with them. I dont think there will ever be a time when people will come together on this and it's quite sad.
Michael Cano
Customer Service Representative
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On Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:51 AM (Pacific Time) you submitted the following feedback to American Apparel:
I have been a customer of your company for several years now, and in case it needs to be said I am boycotting your company from now on for employing illegal workers. Not only is that worrying to find out, the CEO's comment just added salt to an open wound.
How do you get to become a CEO and still be so stupid? Immigrants bring prosperity to the economy, the legal ones who actually pay there taxes, not illegals. I suggest he reads some studies to find out the economic impact of illegal workers in our country. By the way what is he saddened for? That these workers defrauded American taxpayers? He should be outraged not saddened.
Joel4083 of PA
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 3:42pm
Maciej
Thanks for posting your experience with American Apparel.
Not only does their CES defend their actions in the email, but their web site admits their support for illegals.
The fact that they were pressured to fire 1500 of them now in no way washes off the stink of hiring them in the first place.
They have stores all over the country. I will not be spending any of my money there.
The have a blog area on their web site if you want to express your opinions.
Marvin7705 of AL
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 11:26pm
if you eat at hardee or carls jr or stay at the merriott hotel you are supporting illegals no more hardees for me if we hit them where it hurts the most in the bank account that will take the smirk of there face no AMNESTY illegals go home and get in line or don,t come back
Joel4083 of PA
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 3:38pm
In particular, read the last paragraph of this memo from American Apparel's web site.
I have never been in favor of boycotts, but in this case I will make an exception. Not only did they get away for years hiring illegals, but they blatantly promote supporting illegals on their own web site.
Not only will I not purchase their products at their stores but will stop into my local store to let them know why.
I assume not many of us shop their stores anyway, but for those that do, time to stop is now.
MacieJ...Thanks for you post about this company!
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Christine7498 of VA
Thu, 10/15/2009 - 9:53am
My hometown of Berwick, PA
My hometown of Berwick, PA was once a thriving manufacturing town. There were 30,000 people employed at American Car and Foundry, which used to manufacture bombs, tanks and railroad cars during the war.
There were also many clothing and shoe manufacturers in town which employed several thousand people.
Since the signing of the NAFTA agreement, every one of those businesses is GONE! G-O-N-E!!!
There are thousands of unemployed people there with no hope of finding work since a lot of them are above 50 years of age and the fact that it is a rural/semi-rural area.
YET, there are scores of illegals coming into that same town collecting welfare and living in "HUD" homes which were lost by decent retirees living on a fixed income who could no longer afford their property taxes due to the increase in oil, gas, food, and cuts in their pensions and healthcare!
I go home every few months to visit my parents and it makes my want to cry. The once-thriving town is a virtual ghost town. No more men walking down the street with their hardhats and lunch boxes, no, now it's full of illegals sitting on the front porches of the houses OUR TAX DOLLARS PAY FOR and selling meth!
When are the people going to stand up and fight?! Our government is not for the american people, only for lining their pockets at our expense and getting re-elected!
There are people who are willing to work in factories, and you can find them in every small town in pa!