By Roy Beck, Thursday, August 13, 2009, 11:30 PM EST - posted on NumbersUSA

In Mexico, Pres. Obama called us a bad name.
He was using his appearance in a foreign country to promise that he is determined early next year to "legalize" 12-20 million illegal aliens and put them on a path to U.S. citizenship.
He made it pretty clear that he has a lot more admiration for citizens of other countries who break our immigration laws than he does for his own fellow citizens who oppose a blanket amnesty. The New York Times reported that Mr. Obama said:
(There almost certainly will be) demagogues out there who try to suggest that any form or pathway for legalization for those who are already in the United States is unacceptable.
-- Pres. Obama
Is it possible that Mr. Obama was using the term in its second definition? If so, he was saying that those of us who oppose amnesty are:
A leader championing the cause of the common people in ancient times.
-- Merriam-Webster's 2nd definition of "demagogue"
Well, we at NumbersUSA truly believe that our leadership -- and that of a mobilized grassroots -- in keeping the 2006 amnesty off the House floor and in defeating the 2007 amnesty in the Senate was clearly championing the cause of the common people.
But that very positive definition seems to only be applicable "in ancient times."
No, I think when the word "demagogues" rolled off his tongue in this modern time, his erudite brain was operating in Merriam-Webster's first definition:
A leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power.
-- Merriam-Webster's 1st definition of "demagogue"
Mr. President, we need to talk.
If you think that our concerns about what an amnesty would do to America's most vulnerable workers and communities are based solely on prejudices and false claims, you obviously know nothing about us -- and perhaps very little about the complexities of the immigration issue.
While there may be many on our side of the issue who despise the millions of foreign workers who illegally take U.S. jobs, I believe most anti-amnesty Americans are like NumbersUSA in bearing no great ill will toward them. Our reasons for opposing amnesty are not based on our dislike of illegal aliens but on our concern for and good will toward our fellow Americans.
You indicated in Mexico that you believe the chief concern should be for fairness for the illegal aliens:
But ultimately, I think the American people want fairness. And we can create a system in which you have strong border security and an orderly process for people to come in. But we’re also giving an opportunity for those who are already in the United States to be able to achieve a pathway to citizenship so they don’t have to live in the shadows.
-- Pres. Obama
I really have not seen any sign that you understand our concern for the fairness to the millions of jobless Americans who have relatively the same education and skill levels as the illegal aliens and who would not be facing the foreclosure of their homes and other economic crises if your predecessors had stopped unscrupulous employers from hiring illegal workers.
Let me explain this to you or your people. NumbersUSA has sought a chance to do this all year, just like you have allowed the pro-amnesty and pro-foreign-worker groups to do. Even the open-border Pres. Bush allowed us to do that.
Mr. President, we are not demagogues. Our claims may be different than yours, but they are not false.
We are driven by many of the same high principles that you stated in your campaign for the Presidency: economic justice, environmental sustainability, concern for the well-being of people in the poorest countries of the world.
Let us explain why we think the "comprehensive immigration reform" that you have promised works against all three of those principles. And we will listen respectfully to your reactions.
The officials of your Administration have spent much time this last week calling for civil discussions of the hottest issues of the day.
Labeling us as demagogues does not promote civil discussion.
Your Administration's refusal to meet with us does not promote civil discussion.
When can we start?
ROY BECK is Founder & CEO of NumbersUSA
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TwitterTim3401 of AZ
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 9:00pm
It doesn't matter who we elect. McCain would have done the same thing. What most people don't understand is our government is nothing more than a smokescreen to cover those that are truly in control. Dems and Repubs are working together to destroy our middle class and our constitution, because we are an obstacle to global domination. It's called the "dialectic". When Republicans are in office they take away our money. When Democrats are in office they take away are rights. Focus on the man behind the screen and you will understand why they want to overrun our population with illegal aliens. They fill the jobs that can't be exported to other countries, i.e. service jobs. Its all about taking the power away from the American working class. Its hard to make a stand when you can't afford to feed your family.
Ronald5671 of MA
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 4:33pm
Wake up America! Nothing is going to change on immigration because this government sees immigration as an answer to the money shortage for social security. They want a younger population working to support the aging population. The only quick remedy for the government is to import large amounts of people and hope they get jobs and contribute to social security. This is why they want to make them legal so they will be force to pay taxes and social security. If they remain illegal they can be hired and paid a meager salary in cash with nothing paid to the government. Who benefits from this are the business that want slave labor. We pay for this ten fold because we get stuck with paying for education and health car for people who are breaking the law by being in this country in the first place. It is a slap in the face to all Americans who's families waited years to get in the country legally. What makes these people any better than our fathers and there fathers and mothers who respected the laws of the United States of America? I'll tell you what. The almighty $$$$$$$!
Norman5087 of MA
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 5:46pm
Pres. Obama is still in a learning cycle and we Americans
have to teach him the real world's problems. Granting
citizenship to illegals is the same as releasing all prisoners
from our jails with a slap on the wrist.
Illegal aliens broke the law when they crossed our borders. What they should get in return is a one way ticket back home, (wherever that is, paid for by the country they left). We have millions of jobless Americans, that need help, we cannot afford to give illegal aliens the jobless benefits, social security, and health care that Americans paid for.
Dolores8891 of CO
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 4:21pm
I think obama is out to ruin this country. He has apponted 30 czars (a communist term).
He has taken over GM and is trying to take over the healthcare system. It is the responsibility of the people to get their own healthcare, not the governments.
He wants to control everything. He promised to cut out some of the pork, which he has not done.
I am very afraid for this country.
Brenda3643 of CA
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 4:00pm
Yes what we need to do is push Obama to the brink and you will see the real Obama.
The numbers 12-20 million maybe conservative. Here in Southern California a lot of Mexican families have 5 to six children who are born in emergency rooms which probably costs $50,000.00 to have a baby these days and we pay for it because they have no medical. That's the way the system is setup now. That's $250 - $300,000.00 for starters. And illegals aren't making California broke?
Tom4088 of CO
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 2:03pm
This Country cannot possibily pay the health care of the immigrants, and the naturalized citizens too. If we would slow the immigration, and return the illigals and stop paying for their health care, stop the fraud in our health system we might do a better job of taking care of our naturalized citizens who deserve it.
John6716 of OR
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 10:58am
Any attempt to pass an amnesty for illegals in 2010 will result in an outpouring of protest from the American public so great and volatile as to make the current health care debacle look like an Obama love fest.
Barb7382 of WY
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 10:48am
1) Psychologist say when you are accused, it is actually the guilt of the one doing the accusing that is actually what you are being accused of! Does that make sense? I know what I am trying to tell you, just don't know if I made it clear. So, Obama thinks he is a demagogue! True!
I read the following, perhaps it has some merit: The reason he is always apologizing for how awful Americans are and how awful America is as a country, is he wants the to be a worldwide God! His arrogancy is poignant and he make me ill.
Before the books get taken from the shelves, everyone needs to read Dreams of My Father and Audacity of Hope by his Excellency! You will be shocked, if you have not already read them, at what you read and it will certainly change anyone's opinion that he gives a hoot about America or Americans. He used every resource possible to garner this election and what we got is a big mouth full of lie after lie after lie.............
Michael6553 of GA
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 9:30am
As disturbing as it may be, the truth is that our representatives in government are more concerned with the welfare of criminals than the welfare of those who obey the law. That goes for citizens and non-citizens alike. Every opportunity I have to do so, I remind my rep. that disregard for one law, any law, fosters disrespect for all laws. He seems to be listening but he's tilting at windmills in the current political climate. Amnesty will be granted eventually and the border will remain unsecured, inviting another 20-30 million lawbreakers to come and wait for the next amnesty.
I believe it was the late historian Arnold Toynbee who said, " Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder. " We are unfortunate to be witnesses to the suicide of the greatest country that ever existed on this planet.
Albert3441 of PA
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 11:42am
Michael6553 of GA - The open-borders lobby has been working full-time to pass an amnesty since at least the year 2000, but they haven't been able to do it. If they couldn't do it in 2000, when Numbersusa had perhaps 7,000 members, how likely is it that they will succeed as we approach the 1 million mark? And remember, Numbersusa is only the tip of the anti-amnesty iceberg. For every active member, there are many more who believe that amnesty is bad public policy.
Amnesty is not inevitable. The only way that illegals will obtain a "path to citizenship" is if the American public allows it happen. We, the people, will decide what is inevitable provided that we keep faith with one another and never give up trying to do what is right for our nation and our children's future.
Amy0963 of TN
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 2:04pm
I totally agree Albert. And it is indeed our children's and grandchildren's futures that we should be just as concerned about. We can't give up the fight because it is for their sake that we continue to make our stand. I would hate to see civil unrest, but people generally can only take so much.
Karl8555 of TN
Sun, 08/16/2009 - 5:27pm
Many of the comments I've read here echo my feelings so closely that I don't have much to add. Here then, is part of what I've faxed to our esteemed comrade in Washington.
Consider these points. Name calling is infantile. I would be embarrassed for you if I had any respect for you at all. Are you getting political counseling from your childrens' classmates? Or maybe you borrowed Pelosi"s playbook.
Lastly, your "performance" was given in front of an audience peppered with corrupt individuals, many of whom represent a corrupt government. You essentially "sucked up" to the aforementioned corrupt government, filling their heads with what you hoped they wanted to hear.
You did this at the expense of your own countrymen and women. Essentially running them down, in order to curry favorable relations with Mexico.
Mexico, a country that laughs at us because they think we are fools for letting so many of them come here illegally, without stopping them. Mexico, a country who's second largest income source is from money sent home by illegal aliens working in the U.S. "under the table". That's right, no taxes for you!
Making them legal will get their tax revenue but... we will pay many times that in related healthcare, low-income housing, food-stamp assistance, law-enforcement, and educational programs. Not to mention the impact on our many overburdended infrastucture areas and the environmental impact that an increased population causes.
This is not a game! Your political maneuvering ,and manipulation of what you perceive as public sentiment, is causing "real world" harm in the nation you purport to represent and serve. Who's interests are really being served here?
P.S. Stop all immigration until your country is healthy again and unemployment is down below 5%. Truly "save" the U.S. money, by sending the illegal aliens back at a much lower cost than keeping them here. Represent us! "Americans!" Not Mexicans, who comprise roughly 80% of the lawbreakers who are here illegally. Or doesn't it bother you that much, you know... your aunt and all that?
William and Mary5729 of AZ
Sun, 08/16/2009 - 6:52pm
Good, wish many more of our people felt like you and would call their Senators and Representatives and protest loudly to Obama's power grab. We NEED a President who will lead our country as it was planned years ago.
Dan2031 of CA
Sun, 08/16/2009 - 5:01pm
Next thing he will say is that we are 'stupid'. classy
Connie6788 of TX
Sun, 08/16/2009 - 7:59am
A leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power.
Isn't this exactly how Obama made it to the whitehouse? Nobody in ages has made more false claims and promises than those made during his campaign and the ones made up till now in his administration. Since he is so familiar with the process, I'm sure this is the definition he meant.
I finally got my unsolicited e-mail from Axelrod. I'm relieved, for a minute there, I thought I was being snubbed. What comes next? Does anyone know?
Michael7370 of MN
Sun, 08/16/2009 - 12:44am
Until we get elected officals that do what they say they will, or believe in the people who created and made this country what it is today/yesterday! nothing will get better period,
What we have in office now is nothing short of what goes in toilet and our president is part of it.
Broken promises, Not listening to the people of this country, etc etc etc,
We will never have elected officals in any office that honestly care about the American people anymore because its all about Greed, Corruption, and putting their name in the history books...
The vast majority or Ameican citizens do not have a clue as to whats going in there own country and the ones who do are so busy arguing about it that they dont do anything to help great places like "Numbers USA"
How do we change it all?
Man do I wish I had an answer for that one but I wont see anyhting chnage for the good of America in my lifetime thats for sure but I'll continue to support this site until I cant lift a finger anymore.
As far my elected officals here in Minnesota, They dont listen to the people who truely care about whats happening and thats wrong, I'll remember them come election time too.
I wish us all all luck as will need it with all this junk going down without the majority here to help us.
And I do everything I can to help try to win agaist illegals in our counrty but its a battle of epic proportions we are figting and need more help still, Ask everyone you know and even those you dont to get involved before theres nothing left...
Its not just the "Illegals" faults either!!
Until our "elected officals" back up "law enforcement" the "illegals" will continue to come... Wish I could break the law and get away with it like they do!!! (Kidding) but thats what it feels like to me....
Elected officals only care about themselves and the name there trying to make for themselves for the history books!
Just my opinion.....
Mike
Albert3441 of PA
Sun, 08/16/2009 - 12:07am
Perhaps President Obama would reconsider his attitude towards the question of illegal migration if he were to receive 100,000 faxes from angry demagogues who would prefer dialogue over demonization.
Karen6880 of AZ
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 11:02pm
Thanks NumbersUSA --Watching emergency-room-immigration-and-welfare-state video at NumbersUSA was full of facts and no hatred. Just the facts Maam. 1/3 of all insured are illegal immigrants. Illegals cost us 90 Billion dollars. Each illegal immigrant costs us $20,000 per illegalper year. To friends that say but my family came as immigrants 100 years ago. Right, no one helped bail their butts out because we had no welfare system then. It is not Ok for Washington Elite to bail out Wall Street and then give away to the illegals. We pay for your government jobs with taxes and your health insurance. And then Obama you say the health plan is similar to gov employees plans your wrong. The cost of Medicare to federal employees is 0 for Part B. We pay from $200-$$00 per month to get same plan. You congressmen who send children to private schools and don't have to interact at emergency rooms, with the illegals we are sick of you. You are laughing stock of Europe.
Joseph6612 of MD
Sun, 08/16/2009 - 5:12pm
Karen,
I agree with your sentiments, but I have to correct one comment.
I am a retired federal employee, and you have incorrect info on Medicare costs for federal employees. The cost to federal employees is the same as for all people. That is why I do not have it. I cannot afford it.
Karen6880 of AZ
Sun, 08/16/2009 - 7:08pm
Joseph, You corrected me on my comment on federal employee Medicare costs. My friend is 83 years young, and referring to benefits she receives under Medicare and her husband's insurance. Her husband worked for National Fisheries repairing nets on investigation boats off the East Coast. her husband died, and she says because her husband was a federal employee she pay 0 Medicare premium for Part b AND C Normal cost she says would be $400 month. my dad had benefits under railroad employee and he didn't receive this same benefit she received. Karen
Richard6783 of MA
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 7:40pm
Donna,
There are way too many illegals here for merely legalizing them to not have a devastating economic effect. It also tells other people who might want to come here that though it is difficult to come here legally all they have to do is ignore the legal process, ignore the limit as to how many with what skills we the electorate determine we can handle and just come in illegally, Eventually like all the times before we will just give them what they stole from Americans and those immigrants who obeyed the law.
Donna8276 of TX
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 6:08pm
I dont believe that it is feasable to just make illegal aliens legal. Some say to help the economy what is the problem with the economy or at least some of it is that we are carrying these people on our shoulders and they are getting all the benefits we do without putting money back into the system to help pay for it when some born and raised americans do not even get the same benefits they worked for all there lives because all the money is being spent on illegals.
I am sure most Americans have some in our families or themselves who had come from another country and did it the right way they became nationlized and adapted to the American way and became proud and good americans so why now should these people be any different?
If they choose to come here they should do things right and legally and adapt to the american way and learn our language the same as we would do if we went to there countries.They should pay taxes and pay into the health insurance industry and pay there medical expenses same as we do. There should be NO free rides for illegals our country is built on laws doesnt the term illegal show you they dont respect our laws? They say they come here for a better life but so far all that means is free rides if they dont take the steps to become legal and adapt to our society and our laws within a certain amount of time they are breaking the law and should be sent back to where they came from if they sit and brag about the country they came from and down ours why not go back there>We as Americans can not afford to pay there way anymore most of us are struggling and this is one of the main reasons we pay for there free rides and cant afford to support ourselves
Kathleen0499 of CO
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 5:31pm
I voted for Obama, but totally disagree with his stand on "immigration." Frankly, it's hard for me to even refer to people who knowingly break our laws to get into this country "immigrants." True, our country was built on immigrantion, but the immigrants followed an orderly and lawful path to become citizens. They didn't sneak across the border in the dark of night. Where is the justice in giving people citizenship who broke into our country when there are thousands of people from other countries who are then excluded because they can't "sneak" across an ocean? Where is the fairness to our legal citizens who need one of those 12-20 million jobs? President Obama, Senators Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi may try to intimidate others of a different opinion from speaking out by calling them demagogues or racists, but it won't work. I know I'm not a racist (for heaven's sake, my in-laws are Hispanic and they feel the same as I about this issue!). No, I'm a citizen who loves this country and believes in the rule of law.
David8922 of OR
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 2:11pm
Anything that expands our population through immigration is foolhardy! Please tell me how importing people with little education who only qualify for minimum wage jobs benefits us. With Americans losing their jobs everyday the last thing we need is more immigrants. We owe it to American Families and Citizens to protect and help them first!!
David
Rosanne7486 of KY
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 12:25pm
Thank you again, Roy, for speaking for so many of us Americans. If we are to stop an amnesty, it will take a huge effort on everyone's part. Numbersusa is the most thoughtful and balanced site regarding this issue.
Dorothy7665 of NE
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 2:03pm
If the citizenship inquiry is not made on the 2010 federal census, of if another supplemental census is not immediately conducted to correct this serious oversight, the 12 to 20 million foreign nationals who are now residing without official permission within the United States might as well be considered "citizens" because they will be counted for census purposes exactly the same way as U.S. citizens. And their numbers will no doubt factor into reapportionment of seats in Congress and into federal tax dollar reallocations.
I think this is a nonpartisan issue that should concern everyone, from every political party. How can an official census fail to count the specific number of legal citizens in the nation? Counting foreign nationals in the 2010 Federal Census makes absolutely no sense in constitutional terms because foreign nationals have never been permitted to vote in federal elections. Additionally, it is appalling that our government will not be able to actually provide separate and accurate counts of citizens and foreign nationals residing within each state for statistical purposes.
I hope every member of NumbersUSA will contact their governors and their representatives in Washington D.C. and President Obama to demand action by the Census Bureau to correct this glaring oversight before the 2010 Federal Census becomes officially complete.
Beverly4527 of AL
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 9:29am
You know, that is funny that he would call us demogogues, because, you know how a man cheating on his wife thinks his wife is cheating on him? or how an habitual liar will call those around him liars? And with the Town Meetings all of the things he accuses us of doing, Those are HIS tactics?
Sounds like he is talking about himself.
Jeffrey5227 of IN
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 8:35am
I sent this to President Obama via email...
President Obama:
Please do not marginalize American citizens who do not support amnesty for illegal aliens. You comments in the NY Times were insulting to anyone who doesn't agree with your "give citizenship away to illegals" stance.
From the NY Times:
"Mr. Obama predicted that he would be successful but acknowledged the challenges, saying, “I’ve got a lot on my plate.” He added that there would almost certainly be “demagogues out there who try to suggest that any form or pathway for legalization for those who are already in the United States is unacceptable.”
Amnesty IS unacceptable. As are "Anchor Babies", chain migration, social services for illegal aliens and free healthcare for illegal aliens.
We cannot continue to import poverty into this country and expect anything but a degraded American standard of living. Those of us who work and pay taxes would like those taxes to be spent on making our lives and the lives of other Americans better, not on illegal aliens. They should be forced out of the US through the use of E-verify, ICE enforcement and denial of social services.
Protect America and Americans as you were elected to do.
Respectfully,
Thomas3427 of CA
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 5:40am
Just a little note, America has one of the most lenient immigration policies of any country in the World. Why is it our leaders,aka usurpers, think we should make it even more lenient? Are we buying friendship from other countries? You know most country's citizens are jealous for our way of life, they won't be friendly to us unless we hand it to them on a silver platter. Or, is it so some other group (radical Muslims for example) can easily come into this country and take it over? Or perhaps the Mexicans feel it should be their turn up here since things are so great in their own country? They are already flying their flag above the U.S. flag in some parts of the country. Did you know it is illegal to fly another countries flag in Mexico? You can actually get jail time for doing it!! Come on people, We need to get angry and we need to get loud and make our presence known!!
Gary 6401 of NC
Tue, 08/18/2009 - 10:38am
I didn't vote for this joker and I agree we need to get him out of office. He doesn't care for America. He wants to destroy her and us. Otherwise why would he be degrading us to other countries. All the warnings were there but people were blinded by all the changes he wanted to make. He wants all the illegals here so they can vote him back in and continue his agenda of destroing American. Then we will have no voice. He has other countries to go to when he is finished with America. Americans, get together and we can get it done. We are the people, the voice and remember they work for us and we can fire them. It may take a little while but we can do it. Lets take America back.
Robin3099 of CA
Sat, 08/15/2009 - 8:25pm
Ronald2802 of AR,
I agree with you 100%. Obama has an evil agenda. By changing America as we know it. He, along with Pelosi and Reid are in the process of doing away with the 1st and 2nd amendments of the Constitution. Also Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5 which states that only a natural born citizen can hold the office of The United States. It only takes two thirds of both Houses or the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of States to call a Convention for proposing Amendments. Ariticle V. There is a little more to it, read Article 5. Anyway, that's their plans. This will be "The change we can believe in." that Obama has stated over and over again. I just hope the American citizens of our Great Country wake up before it's too late. Amnesty is only a part of that change.
Peter9191 of CA
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:28pm
This not about talking to the President...he knows exactly what hes is doing, he is a hardened ideologue...
He is attempting to manipulate the useful idiots to do his bidding.....
Its time to start a campaign to throw out most if not all incumbents in the 2010 elections...its time for Daddy to spank and spank hard
Parker1915 of CA
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 10:54pm
Amnesty for illegals has never been acceptable by the
American people!
Any further easy application and freedom of gaining Green
Cards to work in any occupation you desire is not acceptable!
There should also be a lower limit on foreigners applying for
Citizenship in this country !
Foreigners buying businesses in this country should not have
any special means of gaining citizenship!
Thomas2924 of IN
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 9:30pm
While President Obama panders to a criminal underclass, responsible, citizen organizations such as NumbersUSA, FAIR, and the Center for Immigration Studies are providing the American people with the facts that we need to make informed judgments, and helping us to make our views known to Congress and the administration. That is democracy, not demagoguery.
The president should seek the council of objective, non-partisan organizations like NumbersUSA. There is no one whose need for the facts is greater, and I don't think he is getting them. We cannot force him to act appropriately on the facts, but he should not act without them.
Sande 0377 of TX
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 9:22pm
Because my political views don't agree with theirs, for the past six weeks or so I have been called some very ugly names: Politano said I am a potential domestic terrorist, Pelosi has said I am a traitor and un-American, Schumer states that I am astroturf, and my president now calls me a demagogue. There are other names as well.
I am one of those who calls and faxes and e-mails my views to my government officials, including the president, so I suppose I am on their infamous "list" of people who must be watched.
This is civil discourse?
I am so sad this is where our country is. We are vilified for claiming our rights to dissent, to assemble, and to protest.
What will it take for our representatives to finally understand they are in place to represent us, the citizens and voters in this country instead of foreign nationals and foreign governments?
Perhaps the current displeasure some are experiencing in the town hall settings will give them a clue.
Christine6674 of WA
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 9:09pm
I have heard Obama make that "Demagog" referrence once before a few weeks back.
People are becoming more and more frustrated because our representatives are not listening to us, nor are they acting in our best interest as individuals or as a nation. This frustration is evident in the violence erupting at town hall meetings. News commentators are stubbornly insisting it is by people who cannot accept a Black president. I voted for Obama to end racism, among other things, and yet it is he and his agents and blind supporters who are now rearing racism's ugly head, calling us names when we disagree with him.
We citizens who are against our government allowing the trashing of our laws and citizen services have some really good, logical points about this issue, yet we are called racists, demagogs, fringe elements, right wing radicals, and trouble makers.
He seems intent on doing exactly what he wants to do regardless that the American people want something completely different; we want our current immigration laws enforced, E-Verify implemented, and the border secured. Simple. So, considering he is intelligent and he MUST know the numbers, which are damning against amnesty, one must ask the question, "Why?" No President or Congress would deliberately destroy their own nation out of sympathy for another nation's citizens; there has to be another reason. I have an opinion about what it is but I'm sure I would bear the brunt of a new volley of name calling should I voice it.
Someone asked "Where's the CHANGE?" The change is in Obama himself; there is a universe between what he said before the election to get our vote and what he does now. He said he would "go after the employers", "implement E-Verify", and give amnesty to a few illegals "who have been here many, many years". He lied. He said he would "follow the Science" in regard to the environment, yet the leading climate scientist in the world, Dr James Hansen, NASA, demonstrated in Coal River, WV against Obama's Mountaintop Removal cave in to the coal companies. If he is willing to unleash lead, arsenic, mercury, selenium, and silica in daily explosions detonating millions of tons of solid rock from the top third of 500 mountains in Appalachia against the nations poorest children, why would we expect him to stand up for the rest of us? He lied to get our environmental vote but that won't happen again. He lied to a lot of GROUPS who are now disillusioned with him. It took me four months to finally accept that he is not what he promised.
Martin 1153 of WA
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 9:01pm
I've said it many times before; and I'll say it many times again:
When the open border anarchists, like Obama, are desparate in their amnesty overpopulation supporting arguments leading to more and more unemployment in America, they always stoop to "name calling" or worse yet [i.e., San Francisco politicians calling anyone that disagrees with them "Haters"], defamation of character.
Ask any attorney: if calling an environmentalist type scientist type [like me], who is against amnesty overpopulation, yet is possibly called a "racist hater" in error; isn't defamation of character...LOL
Kenneth5141 of CA
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 8:30pm
I too am getting tired of this President caring more for the ILLEGAL ALIENS in this country breaking our laws than he does for the American people.
When I was discharged from the US Army and stayed in Germany, I had to get a visa, working permit, pay my taxes and follow ALL of the laws there. So I find it totally unacceptable for the ILLEGAL ALIENS to remain here for any reason and they should return to their own country and if they want to return to the US, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO IT THE LEGAL WAY!
Laurel6425 of IL
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 8:29pm
My "favorite" columnist from the Chicago Sun-Times, Neil Steinberg, just wrote an outrageous column today entitled "Hatemongers wish worst for Obama?"
Fortunately, the Sun Times has a comment section, and most of the respondents blasted this fool of a columnist.
Richard6783 of MA
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 8:52pm
Obama was willing to meet with amnesty supporters who organized the Washington DC May Day March even though they only managed to get a thousand people to their event on a day with good weather.
Amy0963 of TN
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 8:14pm
OMG.....I am so sick of being called names just because I care about the direction in which my Country is headed. Whether it be against illegal immigration, the socialistic healthcare they are trying to shove down our throats, or the fact that our representatives don't care about what we have to say. I am FED UP with all of it!!!! I fully intend on being in Washington on September 12th and I encourage those of you who care about the future of this Country to do the same!!!!! Otherwise, we are going to lose this Country and everything about what made it so great is going to be flushed down the toilet....so to speak!!!! Our forefathers are most likely turning over in their graves. Imagine a president who cares more about the welfare of foreigners over his own countrymen!!!!! Absolutely absurd!!! And so wrong on so many levels!!!!!
Brad8363 of CA
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 8:15pm
Roy-
These remarks by President Obama were outrageous.
I think this is the first time that a US president has gone abroad and bashed millions of his own countrymen in a foreign country.
What exactly is demagogic about not wanting to reward millions of foreign criminals with amnesty and citizenship for breaking American laws?
No American should be insulted by his own president because he wants the laws of his country to be enforced against foreign criminals who are stealing our jobs, destroying our environment, and ruining our schools and social services.
Albert3441 of PA
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 6:42pm
The term demagogue is extremely unfair to the opponents of the administration’s immigration policies. This is so typical of the tactics used by our opponents. Because they have no valid arguments that they can use to support their own position, they immediately revert to argumentum ad hominem.
It seems that the partisans of political correctness (PC) feel that they should never have to defend their ideas against criticism; all they should have to do is choose the precise epithet needed to brand their critics as racists, xenophobes, or fascists (and now demagogues). These PC epithets are supposed to act like political poison darts, instantly discrediting critics, so that their arguments do not have to be considered, answered, or even heard. Since their opponent is now in disgrace, the debate needn’t continue. They win – automatically.
Pretty slick, eh?
Pav2235 of OH
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 6:30pm
I'd like to introduce President Obama to a new phrase.
Cognitive Dissonance
Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become "open" to them. Neighbour (1992) makes the generation of appropriate dissonance into a major feature of tutorial (and other) teaching: he shows how to drive this kind of intellectual wedge between learners' current beliefs and "reality".
Beyond this benign if uncomfortable aspect, however, dissonance can go "over the top", leading to two interesting side-effects for learning:
if someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know — particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge — they are likely to resist the new learning. Even Carl Rogers recognised this. Accommodation is more difficult than Assimilation, in Piaget's terms.
and—counter-intuitively, perhaps—if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are less likely to concede that the content of what has been learned is useless, pointless or valueless. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned".
How can the high rate of U.S. high school drop outs be a national tragedy but legalizing millions of illegal alien high school dropouts be good- for the U.S.?
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/525/student-loan-stories.html
The above web address is from pbs's NOW which did a show on student loans. It demonstrates that many well educated Americans are unable to find work that pays enough to make a house and car payment- much less house, car and student loan payment. If employers aren't going to even interview an over 40 something American with an excellent education and experience-at any salary- do you really think someone older who has retrained for a science job with no experience is going to be hired- especially when there is a constant supply of younger foriegn workers. American companies do not have to follow EEOC laws.
Can you believe in the law of supply and demand and then with a straight face claim more foriegn workers will not bring down wages, benifits- and take jobs?
Like John McCain, my husband was born overseas while his dad was in the military. Even though his parents, grand parents ect. were Americans he had to apply for citizenship.He had lived in the U.S. since infancy. While in the army himself at the Language School in Monterey he took the test and oath for citizenship. He had to follow the law as written not as he wished it to be.
Everyone having to obey the same laws is not discrimination or hate. Special rights for those who break the law creates disrespect for the law and encourages more law breaking. It is unjust for someone who obeys the law to have a longer path to citizenship and have to wait outside the country while those who break the law have full acess to schools, hospitals and cash assistance (per ODJFS website!). Breaking the law should be a reason to keep
someone out of the country, not a way to legally stay and be given a "path to citizenship".
8/4/09 I attended a friends citizenship ceremony. I've known alot of legal immigrants over the years. Almost all immigrants come for lifestyle reasons, they want more and better stuff.
How can more immigration be justified when it has such a detrimental effect on citizens?
Ann3578 of MT
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 4:51pm
Hey, you learn something new every day--I hadn't heard of the scientific term "Cognitive Dissonance."
However, it sounds just like the simplified version my wise Dad (rest his soul) used to say when others refused to listen...."Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up!"
Those who voted for "hope and change" out of desperation are a bit like Congressman and Senators who voted for the "stimulus package." They drank the kool-aid, heard the eloquently-spoken words, and blindly followed along, ignoring any criticism or valid points, almost rushing to do so before they could be made to listen.
Obama is an absolute hypocrite! I just heard a news clip of him today on CNN, using Bush's defense almost verbatim regarding the war in Iraq! When he was Senator Obama, he slammed Bush for putting bills up for a vote before they could be read. A recent memo uncovered shows secret meetings and agreements he made with big Pharmacy companies! Mr. "Transparency" is anything but. It is truly laughable that he should level any criticism at anti-amnesty proponents, seeing how he had the laws bent to accommodate his illegal-immigrant relative living in the U.S. so she wouldn't be deported! How self-serving can one be....
I can only hope and pray that more and more people will WAKE UP to what Obama does, and realize it is vastly different than what he says! We all have to stand up and fight against his agenda if we want to maintain the United States we know and love.
Keith0126 of IL
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 6:21pm
What many people forget that Our New President is in fact, new. I live in Illinois and I don't remember Mr. Obama even being a Senator.
So in my mind he is "Mr. Obama Goes to Washington."
He made many promises while campaigning for President.
One of them was promising the illegal aliens, mostly coming from and through our southern border, that he was the one to bring amnesty to them. Probably looking for future votes.
He knew the opposition would not be much of a challenge as our last president had killed the Reublican Party's chances for leadership for some time. May I add my views of the need for a strong third party to stop this nonsense.
So as a USA Citizen, I will do my best to educate our dear president on the change I want, not his version.
President Obama can talk the talk!
But can he walk the walk?
Marilyn 8327 of CA
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 6:14pm
It is time for Americans to stand up and let the politicians know they work for us. We hire them and we can use the ballot to fire them. It is time for the people to take their heads out of the sand and let their representatives know we are not going to take it anymore. What part of illegal do they not understand?
Hope those who voted for change can cope with it down the road. May God help us all.
Aloha8462 of ID
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 6:09pm
They keep talking about illegals being in the shadows, All of the ones I worked with and knew were out in the public and even admitted they were here illegally.
MD2510 of MA
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 6:04pm
In all three branches of our government that the people created under the US constitution, we now have the perfect definition of a Frankenstein Monster--
Frank·en·stein (frāng'kən-stīn')
n.
1. An agency or creation that slips from the control of and ultimately destroys its creator: "How can we keep the government we create from becoming a Frankenstein that will destroy the very freedom we establish it to protect?" (Milton Friedman).
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Mark6303 of NY
Mon, 08/24/2009 - 6:39pm
Re: Mr. President, We Are Not Demagogues -- Please Talk With Us
The very idea of considering an amnesty is irresponsible and short-sighted. There are plenty of prerequisites, all of which must be addressed and completed before yet another legalization plan is proposed.
1.) Our open borders must be secured.
2.) E-Verify must be made mandatory -- if you're not authorized, you cannot work in the U.S.
3.) The original intent of the 14th Amendment must be clarified and birthright citizenship removed as a often used "foot-in-the-door" for millions of border crossers.
4.) An enforcement and verification mechanism must be in place to ensure that ordinary healthcare benefits do not accrue to the benefit of illegal aliens.
5.) The 287(g) Program must be implemented by every local and state law enforcement jurisdiction to assist the federal government in the enforcement of our immigration laws. Although immigration falls within the federal purview, once the border is crossed, the matter is local. The open-borders crowd uses this excuse to thwart legitimate discussion of this important topic.
6.) English must be made the official language of the United States.
I can think of a few more. Can you?